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That's the tournament format that says 2 seeded international players would go straight to up@downs. Nowhere does it mention any change in the GSL-MLG exchange.
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On December 15 2011 10:05 ampson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:56 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 15 2011 09:50 ampson wrote:On December 15 2011 09:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Same thing happened with Coca. Where's the outrage for that? Oh wait, he's not foreign. Coca admitted to throwing a game which had a reward (possible code A slot). Naniwa simply did not try in a game that had no reward or seeding implications. Plus, his punishment was from his team, who had not given him his code S slot in the first place. Not the same thing. People would be just as pissed if MC had done the same thing after getting his Code S slot in orlando. I agree with you that it wasn't important. I also agree that it's okay not to try in that situation but there are two ways you can not try. One way is just play half-heartedly. The other is shit all over the tournment by not even doing that. As for the Coca incident, why weren't people pissed off at slayers for making Coca drop out of Code S? He obviously he didn't give a shit about the tournament so it's okay! And there was no code A slot because the gsl format just changed and they didn't put a spot in for that seed. Back then, there was a code A slot to be competed for by the winner of that tournament. I believe that Squirtle eventually won it. And some people did say slayers went too far, but most say that throwing matches when prizes are involved is unacceptable, which it is.
I know there was a code A spot but that actually ended before that specific tournament. It was the tournament before that a code A spot was given to ESV TV. You can go back and check. It was after the format change.
Edit: So I checked for you and ya the code A spot was for the Monthly Finals #3 and not #4. The match-fixing in-between byun and coca occurred in the 15th weekly so it had nothing to do with code A.
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On December 15 2011 11:23 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:05 ampson wrote:On December 15 2011 09:56 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 15 2011 09:50 ampson wrote:On December 15 2011 09:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Same thing happened with Coca. Where's the outrage for that? Oh wait, he's not foreign. Coca admitted to throwing a game which had a reward (possible code A slot). Naniwa simply did not try in a game that had no reward or seeding implications. Plus, his punishment was from his team, who had not given him his code S slot in the first place. Not the same thing. People would be just as pissed if MC had done the same thing after getting his Code S slot in orlando. I agree with you that it wasn't important. I also agree that it's okay not to try in that situation but there are two ways you can not try. One way is just play half-heartedly. The other is shit all over the tournment by not even doing that. As for the Coca incident, why weren't people pissed off at slayers for making Coca drop out of Code S? He obviously he didn't give a shit about the tournament so it's okay! And there was no code A slot because the gsl format just changed and they didn't put a spot in for that seed. Back then, there was a code A slot to be competed for by the winner of that tournament. I believe that Squirtle eventually won it. And some people did say slayers went too far, but most say that throwing matches when prizes are involved is unacceptable, which it is. I know there was a code A spot but that actually ended before that specific tournament. It was the tournament before that a code A spot was given to ESV TV. You can go back and check. It was after the format change.
Even if there was no code A slot, there is still a $200 prize for the tourney, plus entry into the $1000 monthly finals. So there was something on the line.
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On December 15 2011 10:22 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:11 Jonoman92 wrote:OP, I agree 100%. I think What Naniwa did was a poor choice, but GOM has handled it terribly. Some sort of new rule or reprimand is fine, but taking away an earned Code S spot is way too far. On December 15 2011 09:00 NrGmonk wrote:
Problem is that was GOM's policy in 2011. They changed their format in 2012 as GOM has stated in their official release. You are saying it's perfectly acceptable for them to go back on the agreement they made with MLG? If they want to change their format and not do the MLG Seed anymore that's fine, but they should still honor the result from Providence. According to their own statement Naniwa earned a Code S spot. GOM's format change was announced before MLG providence.
I don't see how changing the format is really that relevant. A Code S spot is a Code S spot. It was always 32 man right? So it only really affects how people get to Code S and what happens once they lose.
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On December 15 2011 11:29 ampson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:23 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 15 2011 10:05 ampson wrote:On December 15 2011 09:56 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 15 2011 09:50 ampson wrote:On December 15 2011 09:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Same thing happened with Coca. Where's the outrage for that? Oh wait, he's not foreign. Coca admitted to throwing a game which had a reward (possible code A slot). Naniwa simply did not try in a game that had no reward or seeding implications. Plus, his punishment was from his team, who had not given him his code S slot in the first place. Not the same thing. People would be just as pissed if MC had done the same thing after getting his Code S slot in orlando. I agree with you that it wasn't important. I also agree that it's okay not to try in that situation but there are two ways you can not try. One way is just play half-heartedly. The other is shit all over the tournment by not even doing that. As for the Coca incident, why weren't people pissed off at slayers for making Coca drop out of Code S? He obviously he didn't give a shit about the tournament so it's okay! And there was no code A slot because the gsl format just changed and they didn't put a spot in for that seed. Back then, there was a code A slot to be competed for by the winner of that tournament. I believe that Squirtle eventually won it. And some people did say slayers went too far, but most say that throwing matches when prizes are involved is unacceptable, which it is. I know there was a code A spot but that actually ended before that specific tournament. It was the tournament before that a code A spot was given to ESV TV. You can go back and check. It was after the format change. Even if there was no code A slot, there is still a $200 prize for the tourney, plus entry into the $1000 monthly finals. So there was something on the line.
Well the finals #4 isn't going to happen so it's just 200 dollars. So you're telling me it's okay to disrespect the most prestigious tournament in the world if there is no money on the line, but it's not okay to throw 1 game in a set in a small weekly tournament just because of $200?
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Honestly... his team should have taken action.
Gom took action because Quantic didn't.
That's the difference between Korean teams and Foreign ones.
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On December 15 2011 09:55 ampson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
HAHAHAA that argument again.
"So Naniwa throws his game with a Probe rush. Let's firstly establish that fact that he clearly threw the game. Saying "oh, but working rushing IS a strategy" doesn't work here. Naniwa boxed his workers and A-moved them across the map. If you look at the VOD you can even see him take his hand off the keyboard and rest his chin in it after he does it. He didn't micro or do anything even remotely resembling playing the actual game so let's not kid ourselves and say it was a "valid strategy". Be serious, people. He did a long-form version of hitting F10 and then N as soon as the game started and nothing more."
Quote from Doa. Naniwa admitted he threw that game in his interview, stop trying to hide the knife under the covers.
Coca's code S spot was revoked. And if you get employed, do something to piss off your boss, there is no legal right saying you should still be in the job. Except Coca had a reward at stake and was punished by his team, not GOM. And GOM had already guaranteed Naniwa that he would have this spot.
GOM would have punished CoCa if his team did not. His team reacted immediately. QxG didn't respond immediately so GOM had to punish him for his behavior.
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On December 15 2011 09:51 foxSC wrote:
Things like this is why everyone hated kespa in sc1 :/
We love KeSPA! Some of the Ref decisions have been questionable, but for the most part we appreciate what they do for the scene. Team8 yayay.
I'd expect this to be water under the bridge sooner or later.
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