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I was watching ForGGs stream and noticed something really cool. His hotkeys are the same as in BroodWar. I figured someone would prefer Starcraft2 hotkeys over BroodWar as they seem more efficient to me, but I could also see it being difficult to re-learn hotkeys you used for years.
Did any of you BroodWar players do the same thing when/if you play Starcraft2? I just feel that M for Marine and O for siege mode gets a little annoying when I play BroodWar.
I haven't got to see all of his setup but a few I have seen are.
Marine, F Marauder, V Raven, WViking. I could go on but you get the idea. The only ones I could see being a real problem personally are Marine and Siege Mode. Whats your opinion on BroodWar hotkeys in Starcraft2?
As I personally like to take a break from Starcraft2 and play some Broodwar a few times a day I get aggravated when I try to play Terran 2v2 in Starcraft2 as I'm used to Terran hotkeys in BroodWar and I always try BroodWar hotkeys when I'm playing Terran causing me to mess up alot but it doesn't effect me when I'm playing Zerg.
 
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I think it's all about practiced hand motion and muscle memory. IIRC HuK still puts his Nexus on 0 (I'm not sure if he uses P for Probe or not)
I didn't play much Brood War so I can't really comment past that.
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Thats pretty interesting, although it absolutely makes sense that he would want to stick with the hotkeys he has ingrained over the years. It makes me wonder who much of an effect "Convenient" hotkeys can really have.
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It makes complete sense, he has played BW for so long, using M for marine, and O for siege mode, why not assign units which perform similar functions to their BW counterparts to the same hotkeys?
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That is really interesting. I wonder if other BW pro's will change their hotkey's too?
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When I play SC2 (very rarely) my shortkeys are the same as the ones in BW.
(i.e. probe - P, cybernetics core - y, stalker - d, zealot charge - L)
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On December 10 2011 01:26 CaucasianAsian wrote:
When I play SC2 (very rarely) my shortkeys are the same as the ones in BW.
(i.e. probe - P, cybernetics core - y, stalker - d, zealot charge - L)
It makes sense for easy switching between BW and Starcraft2, and its easier to use hotkeys you already know but say you switched full time to Starcraft2 would you keep BW hotkeys because you are used to them or change to a setup where all the keys are close together?
In short do you prefer the ones you already know or would you rather have efficiency?
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May be less efficient to keep the same hotkeys, but so is typing on a QWERTY. Like the poser above said, what you already know or efficiency.
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I personally prefer grid hotkeys.
I see no point in having to grab across my whole keyboard to hit O to build an overlord or what ever other crazy standard hotkeys there are.
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On December 10 2011 01:38 Skilledblob wrote:
I personally prefer grid hotkeys.
I see no point in having to grab across my whole keyboard to hit O to build an overlord or what ever other crazy standard hotkeys there are.
I'm confused as I didn't know BroodWar had grid, unless you mean Starcraft2 then Overlord is V I believe. I revamped mine to E. As my entire bottom row is Camera keys.
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Just because keys are closer together doesn't mean they are better hotkeys.
ForGG (and other BW players) memorized BW hotkeys, played with said hotkeys at a very high level. Hotkeys become muscle memory over time, so it makes 100% perfect sense to prefer and stay using BW style hotkeys instead of SC2 ones. I do this constantly and I havent played BW in probably 3 years: I keep hitting BW hotkeys for units. I always hit the wrong hotkey for "O"verlord, almost EVERY SINGLE GAME. I always hit "P"robe and still hotkey my nexus at 9,0
If you're more efficient in an "unefficient" setup, then why bother switching over?
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Efficiency? You mean that quarter of a second you save ? =P
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I never said they were better, I just assumed that hitting E/V for Overlord instead of O would be easier?
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On December 10 2011 01:41 ShadeR wrote:
Efficiency? You mean that quarter of a second you save ? =P
Do you realize how many quarter-seconds get saved up over the course of a twenty minute game? How many times do you hit a button on the keyboard during a typical game of StarCraft? What about a pro-gamer? How many tens of thousands?
Yeah, it adds up. StarCraft is a game of seconds.
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Relearning hotkeys is such a utter frustating thing to do i'm not sure if it's even worth the effort.
Unlearning hotkeys takes a lot of time and the end result of switching to a more efficient hotkey layout may not even be worth it.
There are tons of examples in innovations, systems etc. where a less efficient setup is used simply because people are used to the old system and it's too costly to switch. Think of voltage on the net, qwerty layout, etc. etc.
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I find it crazy that he's been playing for a while and he hasn't gotten used to sc2 settings, including health bars. However, I do not think the hotkeys hinder him at all, BW pros used god damn 890 hotkeys.
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On December 10 2011 01:46 -Dustin- wrote:
I never said they were better, I just assumed that hitting E/V for Overlord instead of O would be easier?
Yeah but if you played BW where the hotkey for Overlord was O...and you played BW for...lets say 4 years?
4 years of habitually pressing 5so for an overlord sticks with you for a looooong time, was my point.
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I guess its natural to stick with a hotkey pattern that you already know. I switched to Grid for WC3 when I started to play random because memorizing all of the hotkeys seemed so stressful to me and when I made the switch to SC2 I just sticked to the Grid that I learned with WC3 - its a different route but something very similar.
If your hand rests in a certain position for years then that will simply stick, I guess.
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On December 10 2011 01:41 Torenhire wrote:
Just because keys are closer together doesn't mean they are better hotkeys.
ForGG (and other BW players) memorized BW hotkeys, played with said hotkeys at a very high level. Hotkeys become muscle memory over time, so it makes 100% perfect sense to prefer and stay using BW style hotkeys instead of SC2 ones. I do this constantly and I havent played BW in probably 3 years: I keep hitting BW hotkeys for units. I always hit the wrong hotkey for "O"verlord, almost EVERY SINGLE GAME. I always hit "P"robe and still hotkey my nexus at 9,0
If you're more efficient in an "unefficient" setup, then why bother switching over?
I did that all throughout beta, but it wasn't that hard of a transition to the new keys... They are so much more sensible that there's really no reason not to take the time to swap.
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On December 10 2011 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:41 ShadeR wrote:
Efficiency? You mean that quarter of a second you save ? =P Do you realize how many quarter-seconds get saved up over the course of a twenty minute game? How many times do you hit a button on the keyboard during a typical game of StarCraft? What about a pro-gamer? How many tens of thousands? Yeah, it adds up. StarCraft is a game of seconds.
Only if your eApm = your Apm. Those seconds "gained" because you pressed z at 10:34 minutes as opposed to 10:34 and a quarter are negligible.
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