On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote: If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me
Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.
I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-
Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.
Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.
I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?
And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.
... I'm obviously joking. (making fun of Bisu's lack of OSL wins and losing to random zerg players *is* a running gag after all ^^)
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote: If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me
Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.
I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-
Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.
Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.
I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?
And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.
... I'm obviously joking. (making fun of Bisu's lack of OSL wins and losing to random zerg players *is* a running gag after all ^^)
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote: If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me
Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.
I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-
Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.
Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.
I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?
And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.
... I'm obviously joking. (making fun of Bisu's lack of OSL wins and losing to random zerg players *is* a running gag after all ^^)
Dont ruin my new found fan-boyism
d'ahhh but making fun of Bisu is a common pastime in these lands.
On December 05 2011 00:56 Caladbolg wrote: LOL Kiett you are awesome. But I'm sure they were kidding. If not, well, they should be pitied because they aren't Bisu fans.
I'm sure you know by now that the very best articles written on BW (aside from Korean articles) are the TLFEs, or Team Liquid Final Edits. They helped me rediscover my love for BW after leaving it for 5 years (due to iloveoov's emotional win over boxer).
If on the off chance you haven't read them, please do read the following (no order)
1. God of the Battlefield part 1 by Ver (deepest article in terms of strategy and showcases the fallen Maestro's genius) 2. I Loved Victory part 1 and 2 by Plexa (absolutely amazing piece on the most powerful mind to have ever graced BW) 3. The Storm Zerg by pubbanana (very emotional and beautiful piece on the greatest finalist of all time) 4. Only Until Midnight by HonestTea (another emotional and beautiful piece on the history of the game) 5. I spit hot fire by Sp1ralArch1tect (funniest TLFE which'll make you appreciate the importance of being unique)
and then read the following in order
1. Revolutionary Magic by Hot_Bid (Bisu) 2. Heir Apparent by Hot_Bid (Jaedong) 3. The Ultimate Weapon by DocHelvetica (Flash)
Thanks for the list. I didn't realize there were so many. Are there any more articles an aspiring BW fan should know about?
Also, guys, I think this thread is getting off topic.
I'm more a reader than a watcher so I implore you, if you have time, to take a step back into the past and into the wonderful world of Broodwar by reading ALL the Final Edits.
I remember randomly stumblings on God of the Battlefield a LONG time ago. And it was so sick; such a good article. Of course then, I was more of a BW noob than I am now haha.
OK OK OK SO SO HEAR THIS JAEDONG THE NEW ZERG FRESH OFF HIS OSL WIN AND BISU STILL THE REIGNING PROTOSS champion and pvz genius finally get to play vs each other was sOoOoO freaking hyped for this game. battle of the 2 best players in 2009. don't miss this.
imagine that these 2 players are sort of ushering in a new era of brood war where everyone is like nada but maybe even faster and even better at multitasking.
so here it is . couldn't find 1 part vid for the normal vod but Bisu FPview of this epic freaking game is even better.
On December 08 2011 12:00 alffla wrote: OK OK OK SO SO HEAR THIS JAEDONG THE NEW ZERG FRESH OFF HIS OSL WIN AND BISU STILL THE REIGNING PROTOSS champion and pvz genius finally get to play vs each other was sOoOoO freaking hyped for this game. battle of the 2 best players in 2009. don't miss this.
imagine that these 2 players are sort of ushering in a new era of brood war where everyone is like nada but maybe even faster and even better at multitasking.
so here it is . couldn't find 1 part vid for the normal vod but Bisu FPview of this epic freaking game is even better.
EPT
