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FFGenerations
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Sermokala
United States14155 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:11 FFGenerations wrote: because the first 3 lines of my post dont exist right? you're a pretty awful troll, baiting. its NOT the right of someone to abuse another person and you are disputing that this is a case of abuse? troll, baiting, banned from my blog You where demonstrating outside some guys business that he feeds his family with and your getting angry at people for not giving you sympathy when the guy isn't happy with you when your using his bathrooms? Can you understand why he did what he did? Or are you just irrational and bigoted? | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
my friend invited me to hang out with her while she does a small (10-15 person middle/late-aged people) demonstration outside a club where a rapper is going to be performing later in the evening (the rapper is going to be performing in israel in a few months and the demonstration is anti-israeli abuse). Well...that doesn't seem like a particularly effective way of conveying your disagreements with Israeli policy, but hey, to each his own. If a mob started protesting outside my establishment with no seemingly logical reason, I'd suspect them of being on drugs too. edit: wtf im hydra now | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
yes of COURSE i can understand what he did and why he done it, that doesnt make it any less abusive and it doesnt make my friend or any other innocent person any less violated . you cant treat other human beings like fucking dirt , like scum, just because you suspect something and are pumped up on testosterone and get a kick out of yelling and pushing people about because its your precious property | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
Also, I think we usually agree on most things, though I'd have to check. shrug | ||
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Little Rage Box
United States84 Posts
But assuming you don't live in China this man had legal right to kick your ass out of his bar. You don't have to like it, I wouldn't have either. But if he didn't like the speed at which your lady friend was removing herself from HIS property it is well within his rights to make that happen faster. Same would have gone for you if he had picked you up and carried you outside. Besides I'm sure that you could have found another establishment close by to take leak in. Sounds like you didn't think it through before you went inside. And on another note, why the hell protest a rapper going to Israel, a rapper that has no impact on their policy. Sounds like you just don't want the man to make any money, and thats just down right mean. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14155 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:22 FFGenerations wrote: actually im not gonna ban that guy, hes actually a decent poster yes of COURSE i can understand what he did and why he done it, that doesnt make it any less abusive and it doesnt make my friend or any other innocent person any less violated . you cant treat other human beings like fucking dirt , like scum, just because you suspect something and are pumped up on testosterone and get a kick out of yelling and pushing people about because its your precious property Its not his property though. Its his business. All the hours and money hes put into it to build something for him and his family. I have no clue why you guys thought that something wouldn't go wrong with using the bathrooms of the place that your demonstrating(protesting?) outside of. Hes worried that you guys are driving away business and stealing money from him. The guy that he has playing in his club is not cheap at all and he wants to attract good talent to bring people to his club so he can make more money and have a better life for him and his family. I have no idea where your getting this disconnect between being innocent and harming the guys business. city cops tend to be pretty shaky on weather they're going to be good or not. They have a very dangerous job that doesn't pay very well that they have to work long hours on. They get spat on by a lot of people for no good reason and truly believe in what they are doing is right, otherwise they wouldn't be cops. Just a tip for next time. Bring a camera and videotape everything that happens. Then you're bulletproof on them not harassing you or them accusing you of something you didn't do. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Typical protocol for people they don't want on their premises and like you said, there was a demonstration outside. He didn't want to deal with any bullshit. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
"all the hours, all the money he put into it". my friend is a support worker for the elderly, you think THAT gives her any right to scare the fuck out of someone in a threatening manner and physically push them around? the "protest" is more of an awareness campaign , the rapper plans to go to israel to perform and the "protesters" thought it was a good place to give out flyers to inform people of human right abuses in israel i did think for a moment that it wasnt appropriate to go inside that place but like i said its located on a long (empty) street , we were not stopped by any of the staff inside, and infact after i asked the staff for directions to the bathroom i had still not reckoned that a raging 300lb maniac would bust down the door and carry us away LITTLE DID I KNOW acceptable my ass | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Look if the guy is yelling at you for whatever reason (regardless of the noise level in the building) there is no need to match their body language or pitch. You said you tried to keep calm and poised, but it doesn't sound like you came off that way to him especially with the language you used. Your friend overreacted. If it were me I would go back, try to calm her down and get to the bottom of it. It's a bar setting. I used to deal with all kinds of shit like this and your story is no different. He physically removed her because she was making a scene and was being resistant. If you aren't going to cooperate then get ready to deal with the consequences. He never sexually assaulted her. If I'm the bar owner I certainly wouldn't want to put up with any sort of protest right outside my door. Chances are very high that a silent protest will escalate with the drunks. No staff or bartender stopped you. That's fine, but their opinion means very little. If the manager/owner doesn't want you in their establishment then it's best to leave promptly. | ||
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sebusca
United States72 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:22 FFGenerations wrote: actually im not gonna ban that guy, hes actually a decent poster yes of COURSE i can understand what he did and why he done it, that doesnt make it any less abusive and it doesnt make my friend or any other innocent person any less violated . you cant treat other human beings like fucking dirt , like scum, just because you suspect something and are pumped up on testosterone and get a kick out of yelling and pushing people about because its your precious property are you retarded? You were holding a demonstration in front of his business and thought he'd be cool with you using his bathrooms and when he told you to leave you didn't. Stop crying like a self-entitled bitch and learn that he did nothing wrong and had every right to treat you how he did. | ||
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sebusca
United States72 Posts
On November 19 2011 13:58 FFGenerations wrote: its not reasonable behaviour and resulted in an abuse. i understand he has "legal right" to do whatever the fuck he wants, thats why i groaned when my friend said she'd called the police, these people can do whatever they like. but what happened was not acceptable and you should not for one second feel the need to stand up in defence of it. that is a really weak and blinkered view of reality. you should never justify this sort of behaviour when there are alternatives. do you really think you have more in common with this violent man than with my friend who needed to pee? that you feel a need to overlook a violation for "the greater good" of protecting his business? get a grip. "all the hours, all the money he put into it". my friend is a support worker for the elderly, you think THAT gives her any right to scare the fuck out of someone in a threatening manner and physically push them around? the "protest" is more of an awareness campaign , the rapper plans to go to israel to perform and the "protesters" thought it was a good place to give out flyers to inform people of human right abuses in israel i did think for a moment that it wasnt appropriate to go inside that place but like i said its located on a long (empty) street , we were not stopped by any of the staff inside, and infact after i asked the staff for directions to the bathroom i had still not reckoned that a raging 300lb maniac would bust down the door and carry us away LITTLE DID I KNOW acceptable my ass So now we know you are a blatant liar. You specifically said you walked out on your own. Now he suddenly busted down the door and carried you out? Stop wasting people's time with your fabricated drama. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On November 19 2011 14:22 sebusca wrote: are you retarded? You were holding a demonstration in front of his business and thought he'd be cool with you using his bathrooms and when he told you to leave you didn't. Stop crying like a self-entitled bitch and learn that he did nothing wrong and had every right to treat you how he did. where did i say we didnt leave? it took about 10 seconds for me to get out, i cant speak for my friend but she made a point of saying why the fuck would she want to stay there, she was terrified and he picked her up for the hell of it to chuck her out as she was walking out if your fucking mother was violated like this id like to see you call her a self-entitled bitch when she claims it was unreasonable and dispicable to treat her like that. you have absolutely no sense of reality do you and now im "blatent liar" coz i am being slightly verbose/poetic after re-explaining the same thing 20 fucking times to people who cant understand simple concepts, no wonder you cant get it into your head alright then im a liar, you can stop posting here coz obviously you shouldnt be talking to blatent liars | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
It sounds like you need perspective on the situation. This man pays his bills, his rent, his food, his life by working this bar and having acts come and play at his bar. You stand outside and basically shit all over his place and then you ask to use the bathroom? Protesting is fine and legal, but you going inside the place is just stupid, borderline insane. Maybe put some more thought into your "Demonstrations" in the first place. If your going to protest something don't ask the people you are trying to harm for help that's pathetic. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 19 2011 12:49 TruthIsCold wrote: The OP's behavior does nothing at all to make me think the owner is less of a dick. When someone gets pushed around, they can sometimes get a little emotional about it, so I'm not gonna criticize the OP for it. And I have never in my life given a damn about what is LEGALLY right. All I care about is what is morally and socially right, and using violence or aggression as a first resort to get someone out of your business, instead of first just asking them to leave, is a real dick move. You are not above the law, and justice is not synonymous with vengeance. What you're proposing is naive and irresponsible, as if you are above everyone else. If you want vigilantism to be the new law then move to goddamned Somalia. edit: and honestly, OP, it is almost impossible to have any sympathy for you when you entered the place that you were protesting outside of. Getting picked up and thrown out really is not sexual in any sense nor is it even close to being compared as a "violation". Unless that guy was actively groping your friend with active sexual intent, he was simply just throwing out. Get over yourselves. | ||
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HeroUlyssess
New Zealand46 Posts
and at the people who share Koreasilver's views, if i am to view the world with your philosophy, then you would agree that the trial and execution of Socrates was just and moral? Please, don't make me laugh, I think we should all know by now that the law is by no means always just, or in the true interests of the people, when the laws are made by a representative based government rather than a (i don't actually know the term for this) true democratic government. I don't know, there was some other stuff I was going to say... but i forgot it now, so... :| Edit: rewording. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
On November 19 2011 18:51 HeroUlyssess wrote: I must say, the people jumping on the "Of course he is going to be mad when you are 'protesting' outside his bar" wagon. Did you even read the OP? they clearly said that the extent of their 'protesting' was handing out flyers. and at the people who share Koreasilver's views, if i am to view the world with your philosophy, then you would agree that the trial and execution of Socrates was just and moral? Please, don't make me laugh, I think we should all know by now that the law is by no means always just, or in the true interests of the people, when the laws are made by a representative based government rather than a (i don't actually know the term for this) true democratic government. I don't know, there was some other stuff I was going to say... but i forgot it now, so... :| Edit: rewording. Obviously the law is not always just, nor perfect, far from it. But its far from always wrong and unjust, I hope you aren't proposing we go back to the stone age and rule our society by whomever is in power's moral opinion. And your example of socrates is pretty bad, obviously that was against the law and not a just trial. Just because they called it a "trial" doesn't mean it was a fair one. What are you trying to say, no one has a right to personal property and everyone should be able to do whatever they want wherever they want? The Club owner didn't beat them, didn't rape them, he escorted them out of the club. If you are protesting outside of an establishment you are trying to harm that business. To the club owner that is his life, the way he provides for his family and puts food in his stomach. These people were trying to put less food on his table and harm his way of life. If you disagree with their political views or whatever thats fine, protest them, hand out leaflets all day, but don't expect them to invite you over for tea and dinner... The Owner was far in his moral right to kick them out. Even if the law wasn't on his side he was still in the right to be able to kick them out. If I came to your house and smashed your tv , then asked if i could take a dump in your toilet would you let me? There is no morality that says you can just come into my club and do whatever the fuck you please, that doesn't make any-sense. Was the club owner probably a jackass and maybe too rough for your tastes? maybe but crying about it isn't going to get you anywhere. The real crime here is the lack of information provided by the OP, how long were you in the bathroom, what did the protest entail, how many protestors were there, why is there a club on a supposed empty street with no other business' for miles, why didn't your friend leave when she was asked, how did she know to be scared of the guy because he was 300 pounds before seeing him, why would you go inside of a place you are protesting? A lot of places won't let you use their restroom if you aren't a paying customer, not only were you not a paying customer you were a protestor of their business.... | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
Simple solution: Don't act like a retard in a bar. That includes but is not limited to: being drunk as shit, starting a fight, protesting the bar and then utilizing the property after, etc etc. I mean jesus... you're doing something to potentially harm his business and wonder why you get thrown out. Holy shit. | ||
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Cruncharoo
United States136 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On November 19 2011 19:31 TheGiftedApe wrote: Obviously the law is not always just, nor perfect, far from it. But its far from always wrong and unjust, I hope you aren't proposing we go back to the stone age and rule our society by whomever is in power's moral opinion. And your example of socrates is pretty bad, obviously that was against the law and not a just trial. Just because they called it a "trial" doesn't mean it was a fair one. What are you trying to say, no one has a right to personal property and everyone should be able to do whatever they want wherever they want? The Club owner didn't beat them, didn't rape them, he escorted them out of the club. If you are protesting outside of an establishment you are trying to harm that business. To the club owner that is his life, the way he provides for his family and puts food in his stomach. These people were trying to put less food on his table and harm his way of life. If you disagree with their political views or whatever thats fine, protest them, hand out leaflets all day, but don't expect them to invite you over for tea and dinner... The Owner was far in his moral right to kick them out. Even if the law wasn't on his side he was still in the right to be able to kick them out. If I came to your house and smashed your tv , then asked if i could take a dump in your toilet would you let me? There is no morality that says you can just come into my club and do whatever the fuck you please, that doesn't make any-sense. Was the club owner probably a jackass and maybe too rough for your tastes? maybe but crying about it isn't going to get you anywhere. The real crime here is the lack of information provided by the OP, how long were you in the bathroom, what did the protest entail, how many protestors were there, why is there a club on a supposed empty street with no other business' for miles, why didn't your friend leave when she was asked, how did she know to be scared of the guy because he was 300 pounds before seeing him, why would you go inside of a place you are protesting? A lot of places won't let you use their restroom if you aren't a paying customer, not only were you not a paying customer you were a protestor of their business.... ill just fill in your gaps since you asked 1) in the bathroom for 30 seconds before he pushed open my door and started yelling, but apparently he had gone to my friends toilet first (she was screaming for him to go talk to me in the mens toilet coz he was saying i was in her one with her. i didnt hear any of this) 2) protest afaik was 1 banner and a bunch (10-15?) of middle/late-aged people basically silent (no shouting or craziness like the word "protest" indicates) holding offering a flier to people who arrived at the venue 3) there were 2 protesters there, no one else had arrived yet, basically 2 women standing in the cold with a banner on the stone floor about 15 metres from the club entrance. when me and my friend arrived that made 4, well really it was 3 coz i stayed in the car coz it was cold until i decided i needed to pee 4) hrm i dont remember what i wrote in the op now, apparently the guy went to her toilet first and bashed on the door and said to break it down, she said we have permission and she is taking a pee and to talk to me in the other toilet, so i guess she took "longer" to leave than me 5) she knew to be scared of the guy coz she is a fragile vulnerable middle (late) aged lady taking a pee when a man suddenly starts bashing on the door screaming like a maniac threatening to break it down and drag her out while she is hal naked or wtvr, how hard is this to convey in your brain? its not exactly a choice 6) why would i go inside? well one im not even a fucking protester really, she didnt even tell me it was a protest until 10 minutes after we got there and sitting in the car, i thought we were going to a nice place to sit down have a drink and watch some music , imagine my annoyance when infact i find out we're gonna stand outside the place in freezing cold instead LOL. i went inside because i needed to PEE and after practically getting permission from the staff inside pretty much everything after that is FUCKING BULLSHIT to treat us like that 7) dont ask me why its in the middle of nowhere, its kinda overlooking a beach / under a beach wall well out of the way. i mean itd probably take 4 minutes to find somewhere else so if i thought i was going to feel threatened for my life by going in there i could have easily avoided it | ||
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