You are not above the law, and justice is not synonymous with vengeance. What you're proposing is naive and irresponsible, as if you are above everyone else. If you want vigilantism to be the new law then move to goddamned Somalia.

edit: and honestly, OP, it is almost impossible to have any sympathy for you when you entered the place that you were protesting outside of. Getting picked up and thrown out really is not sexual in any sense nor is it even close to being compared as a "violation". Unless that guy was actively groping your friend with active sexual intent, he was simply just throwing out. Get over yourselves.

did i say it was sexual abuse? i thought that was some other people trying to put words into my mouth. its fucking hilarious when people put words into your mouth then comment on them LOL, and then a page later someone else sees what they read as the truth , bandwagoning finest . still nothing new there LOL

if you think its reasonable, and not violating and abusive behaviour, for a big bully of a man to scream and shout and bash on doors in a way that makes an innocent woman fear for her safety and then start physically manipulating her, humiliating and scaring her, in the situation as ive tried to describe it, then well i guess we have to agree to disagree. go ahead and not have sympathy and support for people , but thats pretty scarey because you might aswell go round acting like that man yourself if you think so strongly it is permissible behaviour (so long it is on the "GOOD" side of the law) and you would rather defend it than defend a confused and vulnerable woman. like i said , there are alternatives to being a raging psychopath . anyway i have said all this much better in previous posts

haduken

Australia8267 Posts

November 19 2011 23:56 GMT

#43

To be honest OP, your friend sounds like a nut job.

It wasn't reasonable we agree (Assuming you are telling the truth and your friend told you the truth).

But let's back track... You have no evidences of him manhandling her and you telling the story to the cops just sounds like typical wacko stories from protesters that want to start some shit.

Your purpose there alone is suspicious and you can't blame the cops for not caring, they sees punks start shits up all day and why should they believe you more?

Just be glad you are not in China. Over there, you get a beating and your friend gets raped in the back :/ and the Cops won't ever bother to attend the scene.

GumThief

Canada284 Posts

November 20 2011 00:02 GMT

#44

wait you just ditched your girl? Even after knowing they are confrontational? So basically you're a tool. I'm surprised she will talk to you at all....

And you don't act sheepish because you wear glasses and might go blind if you get punched... You are sheepish because you sound like a sheep.

Sorry if I sound rude but I don't understand getting on a fucking bus and ditching your friend just to text her "

bye." or some shit.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

November 20 2011 00:08 GMT

#45

On November 19 2011 18:51 HeroUlyssess wrote:
I must say, the people jumping on the "Of course he is going to be mad when you are 'protesting' outside his bar" wagon. Did you even read the OP? they clearly said that the extent of their 'protesting' was handing out flyers.

and at the people who share Koreasilver's views, if i am to view the world with your philosophy, then you would agree that the trial and execution of Socrates was just and moral? Please, don't make me laugh, I think we should all know by now that the law is by no means always just, or in the true interests of the people, when the laws are made by a representative based government rather than a (i don't actually know the term for this) true democratic government.

I don't know, there was some other stuff I was going to say... but i forgot it now, so... :|

Edit: rewording.

There's a difference between acknowledging that the legal procedure may be flawed and rewriting the law in a purely subjective sense and subjecting the world to your purely personal beliefs. Rejecting society's power over you out of protest is fine and is necessary, but then turning around with your next step and forcing your power over society is not okay. This is a narcissism, and this is nothing but replying to a totalizing tyranny with a totalizing tyranny of your own. This was exactly what that guy was suggesting, which had nothing at all to do with democracy. He was proposing a vigilante justice rooted in nothing but "my own morality" - this is a tyranny.

Lysenko

Iceland2128 Posts

November 20 2011 07:43 GMT

#46

On November 19 2011 13:58 FFGenerations wrote:
its not reasonable behaviour and resulted in an abuse. i understand he has "legal right" to do whatever the fuck he wants

There are two separate questions here. First is whether his behavior is criminal. In your case, probably not, in her case, it might be, because physically touching someone without consent is specifically illegal as assault unless it meets certain exceptions. The police didn't think it did, but remember that their interpretation doesn't have the force of law -- they're interpreting the law on the fly, and can make mistakes.

Second: The manager's behavior might be cause for a civil lawsuit, even if it's not criminal. What the police thought of the situation isn't relevant to whether that's true. The police aren't there to evaluate that, they're there to ensure that criminal laws aren't violated, and deal with it if they seem to be.

If your friend feels wronged, she should talk to a lawyer, and see what options she might have.

FFGenerations

7088 Posts

November 20 2011 13:44 GMT

#47

On November 20 2011 09:02 GumThief wrote:
wait you just ditched your girl? Even after knowing they are confrontational? So basically you're a tool. I'm surprised she will talk to you at all....

And you don't act sheepish because you wear glasses and might go blind if you get punched... You are sheepish because you sound like a sheep.

Sorry if I sound rude but I don't understand getting on a fucking bus and ditching your friend just to text her "

bye." or some shit.

mm since you asked, i was delirious from poor sleep/lack of sleep, didnt wanna be there really in the first place (didnt realise it was a protest thing and not just sitting in a bar with her for 2 hours), had work the next day and was gonna get 5-6 hours sleep anyway, knew that the manager (however much a cock) could do what he wanted, knew that she is a strong person who can basically take care of herself better than i can take care of her especially when im about to drop, and i was in an uncontrollable rage which would have VERY VERY likely ended up in me making the situation 100x worse (ie i could have potentially smacked someone in the face then been hospitalised and prosecuted and spent time in jail with a hefty fine because of it). wearing glasses was just one thing on top of that , which i thought of at the time and which was really irrelevent but it only added to my frustration of, like you said, being generally inadequate to deal with the situation in an admirable way

BlackJack

United States10568 Posts

November 20 2011 14:59 GMT

#48

I'd like to believe your story but for as long as I have lived I have never seen a single protester just say "ok sir" whenever they were told by authority to do something. They always try to argue about their "rights" even though they are usually wrong about their rights. People almost always embellish or lie about their side of the story. In your last post you say she is a strong person that can take care of herself and in all your other posts you've been saying she's a frightened little lady.

Sounds like he hurt her pride more than anything. She will get over it, don't worry.

FFGenerations

7088 Posts

November 20 2011 15:16 GMT

#49

i hadnt realised that he might have manhandled her (until she phoned me), by "take care of herself" i meant post being shouted at and scared out of the premises. whilst sitting on the toilet having the door bashed on and feeling threatened by a shouting stranger and then manhandled when she opens the door, yes it is more reasonable to consider her a "frightened little lady" ie a vulnerable person. i understand what you mean but sometimes dont you think it is better to er on the side of the victim than the bully lol?