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MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
September 03 2011 11:53 GMT
#21
People don't avoid going hatch first because they're afraid of being walled. They avoid going hatch first because of all the other annoying stuff Toss can do it.

Yes, cannons is one...

But don't forget stalker pressure, zealot+cannon all-ins, and all the other aggressive one base plays that are lses good but still scary to deal with for Zergs who hatch first.
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
September 03 2011 12:21 GMT
#22
People just need to adapt to drone drills like they did in BW. "TLDR: It is broken and should be fix." is just a retarded thing to say at this point. Actually that's where I stopped reading. Bad post 1 star.
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 03 2011 14:54 GMT
#23
Id rather just leave the game instead of pulling all my workers to do that stupid drone drill
starleague forever
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
September 03 2011 16:29 GMT
#24
OP you worry too much,it takes skill to do an offensive drone drill,Even more skill to do it to a pro.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
September 03 2011 16:38 GMT
#25
On September 04 2011 01:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OP you worry too much,it takes skill to do an offensive drone drill,Even more skill to do it to a pro.


Can't tell if you're trolling or not...
I'm an old man now
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 16:43:45
September 03 2011 16:42 GMT
#26
On September 04 2011 01:38 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 01:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OP you worry too much,it takes skill to do an offensive drone drill,Even more skill to do it to a pro.


Can't tell if you're trolling or not...


I'm not,its a huge gamble to do pull a drone drill chances are you won't be successful most of the time.

I was being serious but I said it like a troll.

the only person I can count on to pull it off is July.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
September 03 2011 16:45 GMT
#27
On September 04 2011 01:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 01:38 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On September 04 2011 01:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OP you worry too much,it takes skill to do an offensive drone drill,Even more skill to do it to a pro.


Can't tell if you're trolling or not...


I'm not,its a huge gamble to do pull a drone drill chances are you won't be successful most of the time.

I was being serious but I said it like a troll.

the only person I can count on to pull it off is July.


Haha.. The game on Troy?

But then again, what you're suggesting is that a cheese is taking 'skill to do'. I mean, some do take skill to a certain point like Leta's 2 port, but I mean a cheese is still a cheese is it not? I mean, what's more difficult. Playing a full macro game or just doing some all-in and hoping you win.
I'm an old man now
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
September 03 2011 16:48 GMT
#28
its an advanced cheese is what I'm trying to say,I'd rather 6 pool.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-03 18:40:11
September 03 2011 17:35 GMT
#29
i mean vortex was in the same category right? no one get a mothership ever and there is a huge risk into using it. but shit still happens and people still lose and blizzard still patch.

Imagine moon vs HuK in dream hack on taldarim. Moon 6 pools and huk defend it with a cutting probe wall off, what if you can drone drill it while attacking with the 6 zerglings? (notice how drone do stack over lings while mining). The wall could have gone down much faster and screw shit over.

@MrBitter: i dont know. Considering a map such as taldarim, P always forge first and Z can drone scout everything with 1 drone (yeah every Z drone scout on that map). I see no way to put pressure on Z considering i have to put 150 mineral on cannon sooner or later. I really dont see Z could be at risk if they scout properly with their drone scout. May be it just that i dont know enough cheese to make things happen but undoubtedly the drone drill make hatch first much more viable than what it was before. As soon as you dont see a nexus at P nature around 16 food (no forge) or 18 food (forge), you should expect a cannon rush.
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