On August 30 2011 10:55 6d.Leek wrote: No one ever gave Cholera, Diggity, NukeTheStars, or MoleTrap any crap for taking time out of their lives to find VODs and provide commentary over them, so why does an abundance of content make people do that? I'm honestly confused someone help me out.
What? Tons of people did.
Uhh with BW it was the feeling that the game was sacred. There is a certain aura that comes with being the best game of its genre - and it is that deep respect and humbleness people held towards content related to it - including the commentators.
With SC2, its more of a corporate produced mass consumption attitude that people hold towards the content. They consume it, and if they dont feel happy about it, they complain and let themselves be heard. This may have some advantages, but it also means the community cannot quite have the deep uniting chord that everyone agrees with. Everyting is up for bargain, imbalance is to be whine about, commentators are to be disrespected.
I want to highlight something that was mentioned, and that's the availability/accessibility of streams in English (or other languages). With SCBW English streams were severely limited, and majority of the viewers were content with listening to Korean commentary. Now, with the abundance of SC2 streams in English, viewers have a large pool to choose from, and that essentially spoils them into expecting the best in every stream.
Age is probably another large factor - SCBW generation (as of now) are much older, on average, than the SC2 generation. Age doesn't always correlate with maturity, but in most cases, the years (of being active in a gaming community such as TL) teach you how to behave.
With that, I'm going to say that SC2 spectators, should they hang around, will gradually "behave better" and mature with the game.
On August 31 2011 02:10 OpticalShot wrote: I want to highlight something that was mentioned, and that's the availability/accessibility of streams in English (or other languages). With SCBW English streams were severely limited, and majority of the viewers were content with listening to Korean commentary. Now, with the abundance of SC2 streams in English, viewers have a large pool to choose from, and that essentially spoils them into expecting the best in every stream.
Age is probably another large factor - SCBW generation (as of now) are much older, on average, than the SC2 generation. Age doesn't always correlate with maturity, but in most cases, the years (of being active in a gaming community such as TL) teach you how to behave.
With that, I'm going to say that SC2 spectators, should they hang around, will gradually "behave better" and mature with the game.
I didn't like English streams very much, if only because the Korean commentary sounded so funny. xD
It's also because I like to watch the game for myself at times.
That's probably why I mute all the SC2 streams that I watch.
I still remember in the BW days. TL had pretty high standards for casters/posters. You had to know what you were talking about. I still remember when I asked "Who is Nada" in a post, I got flamed to death. Yah, learned from that haha. But that's what made TL:BW so professional.
On August 30 2011 10:55 6d.Leek wrote: No one ever gave Cholera, Diggity, NukeTheStars, or MoleTrap any crap for taking time out of their lives to find VODs and provide commentary over them, so why does an abundance of content make people do that? I'm honestly confused someone help me out.
What? Tons of people did.
Uhh with BW it was the feeling that the game was sacred. There is a certain aura that comes with being the best game of its genre - and it is that deep respect and humbleness people held towards content related to it - including the commentators.
With SC2, its more of a corporate produced mass consumption attitude that people hold towards the content. They consume it, and if they dont feel happy about it, they complain and let themselves be heard. This may have some advantages, but it also means the community cannot quite have the deep uniting chord that everyone agrees with. Everyting is up for bargain, imbalance is to be whine about, commentators are to be disrespected.
That's simply the result of 13 years of success vs 1, nothing more.
And I dont really get at all what that has to do with Chills first post...
like he said SC2gg commentators got a lot of negative feedback so the OP is simply wrong in that aspect. A more extreme example than Diggity, Cholera would be Klazart (And of course Combat-Ex but there were (/are) a lot of reasons to dislike him)
It's hard for the bw community to hate when you have bisu to swoon over. And leta. what a cutie. Love is in the air!
bw foreign players/commentators suffered a lot of hate too, most of it trolling or completely unwarranted, in the community.
I think the main difference is that I don't think people truly hated korean players as much. It seems to me that some sc2 koreans were hated just because people thought it was a cool thing to do i.e. "I hate thebest because artosis said he was terrible!" or basically the equivalent of that (rain is bad because he 2rax'd all in a lot!!!". I think that has died down some, but as far as I can tell people didn't actually really hate any of the bw players. People joke about hating *insert player shine X* for *beating player bisu Y* but I didn't get the impression it was serious. And it was inspired because they beat their favourite player, not for a generic style of play (as with rain example or "because he plays terran!!!!!!111!")
Of course, everybody fights over fanboyism every now and then, but they don't hate the player themselves.
On September 01 2011 04:38 N.geNuity wrote: It's hard for the bw community to hate when you have bisu to swoon over. And leta. what a cutie. Love is in the air!
bw foreign players/commentators suffered a lot of hate too, most of it trolling or completely unwarranted, in the community.
I think the main difference is that I don't think people truly hated korean players as much. It seems to me that some sc2 koreans were hated just because people thought it was a cool thing to do i.e. "I hate thebest because artosis said he was terrible!" or basically the equivalent of that (rain is bad because he 2rax'd all in a lot!!!". I think that has died down some, but as far as I can tell people didn't actually really hate any of the bw players. People joke about hating *insert player shine X* for *beating player bisu Y* but I didn't get the impression it was serious. And it was inspired because they beat their favourite player, not for a generic style of play (as with rain example or "because he plays terran!!!!!!111!")
Of course, everybody fights over fanboyism every now and then, but they don't hate the player themselves.
Yea this is all bullshit imo. Theres a lot of Shine antifans, theres a lot of bisu antifans, theres a lot of Flash antifans... Of course you dont see that many posts as in SC2 because theres way way way more people in SC2, but theres always a very logical, simple reason behind it that is not sth silly like "BW fans nicer than SC2 fans" Age can also make a difference, if theres a lot of 12 year old idiots who started following progamign through SC2 it only makes sense that theres more rude comments than BW which is usually followed by people that are 20 years old or older.
BW had its share of idiots but most of them probably switched to SC2. Combine that with the fact that a lot of immature people came to SC2 to begin with, you get this.
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