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TvP: Terrible vs Protoss [The Other Side]

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 12:02:04
August 24 2011 11:50 GMT
#1
Check out my previous blog post, TvP: Terrible vs Protoss [Epilogue] or the original post, TvP: Terrible vs Protoss [A Ladderer's Story] for background information. This short story stands alone, though.


TvP: Terrible vs Protoss [The Other Side]
As I continued my struggle for the top of Master's, I decided to spend about 10-20 games playing customs as Protoss to figure out how the race worked to get a better idea of what I'm doing right/wrong in TvP. It seems reasonable that gaining some insight from the other side of the problem would let me make some headway in the matchup.

Oh how foolish I was.

Here's what I thought about Protoss at the start of the day:
Follow these strategies in each matchup.(this cool BO image cribbed from this thread
[image loading]


And by the end of the day? THIS IS HOW I FELT:
[image loading]



And I was making videos like this about PvP:

http://www.livestream.com/blazinghand/video?clipId=pla_0e284085-6cbe-4083-b6e7-ff8968bf564a



WHAT THE HELL, MAN? *istraumatized*

[b]that's not a mirror match, that's a mirror being shat on by 4gate 4gate4gate4gat4g4g4g4gg4g4g4g4g4ggbbbb






i need to sleep.

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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
August 24 2011 11:58 GMT
#2
i need to sleep

good night
sleep tight
dont let the proxy pylons bite
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
August 24 2011 12:00 GMT
#3
Did you make that bo list yourself? If so, props.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
August 24 2011 12:01 GMT
#4
On August 24 2011 21:00 4kmonk wrote:
Did you make that bo list yourself? If so, props.


no i found it in a TL thread. I'll edit the OP to this effect.
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saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
August 24 2011 12:18 GMT
#5
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257589

This thread will solve all your TvP problems
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 15:55:17
August 24 2011 14:51 GMT
#6
On August 24 2011 21:18 saritenite wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257589

This thread will solve all your TvP problems


No.


EDIT: Sorry, that was a bit terse of me. let me explain why. I used to do 1/1/1 all-ins, but I decided some time ago that if I ever wanted to improve as a player, I needed to go for a fairly quick expand and play standard. I outlined this in my initial blog post here.

Plus, you don't learn a lot by all-inning every day on the ladder.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Aletheia27
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States267 Posts
August 24 2011 18:00 GMT
#7
As toss..the best/most solid opening you should go for pvt is 1 gate FE.

As terran you should go 1 rax gasless FE into 3 rax into fast medivacs. (factory before other gas). I find this the most solid

2 Rax expo is the other solid opening on larger maps.

Other builds are rather map dependent.... although 2 base 3 fact is possible, i don't like it.

Want to run games later?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
August 24 2011 18:13 GMT
#8
On August 25 2011 03:00 Aletheia27 wrote:
As toss..the best/most solid opening you should go for pvt is 1 gate FE.

As terran you should go 1 rax gasless FE into 3 rax into fast medivacs. (factory before other gas). I find this the most solid

2 Rax expo is the other solid opening on larger maps.

Other builds are rather map dependent.... although 2 base 3 fact is possible, i don't like it.

Want to run games later?


I usually go for a 1 rax FE or a 2 rax expo. I'm certainly not having build order problems; playing standard generally doesn't. And I'm not really sure why I'd make 3 factories in TvP...
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Aletheia27
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States267 Posts
August 24 2011 18:21 GMT
#9
On August 25 2011 03:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 03:00 Aletheia27 wrote:
As toss..the best/most solid opening you should go for pvt is 1 gate FE.

As terran you should go 1 rax gasless FE into 3 rax into fast medivacs. (factory before other gas). I find this the most solid

2 Rax expo is the other solid opening on larger maps.

Other builds are rather map dependent.... although 2 base 3 fact is possible, i don't like it.

Want to run games later?


I usually go for a 1 rax FE or a 2 rax expo. I'm certainly not having build order problems; playing standard generally doesn't. And I'm not really sure why I'd make 3 factories in TvP...


I think it was sjow but it was a semi-popular style for a few weeks.

So is the problem midgame? If then what are you trying to accomplish during the midgame? What kind of game state are you trying to create?

Also...are you sure you're constantly making probes? I know you have that issue -___-...
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 18:25:12
August 24 2011 18:24 GMT
#10
On August 25 2011 03:21 Aletheia27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 03:13 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 25 2011 03:00 Aletheia27 wrote:
As toss..the best/most solid opening you should go for pvt is 1 gate FE.

As terran you should go 1 rax gasless FE into 3 rax into fast medivacs. (factory before other gas). I find this the most solid

2 Rax expo is the other solid opening on larger maps.

Other builds are rather map dependent.... although 2 base 3 fact is possible, i don't like it.

Want to run games later?


I usually go for a 1 rax FE or a 2 rax expo. I'm certainly not having build order problems; playing standard generally doesn't. And I'm not really sure why I'd make 3 factories in TvP...


I think it was sjow but it was a semi-popular style for a few weeks.

So is the problem midgame? If then what are you trying to accomplish during the midgame? What kind of game state are you trying to create?

Also...are you sure you're constantly making probes? I know you have that issue -___-...


I'm not sure you understand the goal of this blog. The goal of this blog isn't to solicit TvP advice or understand the matchup better, even if that was the goal of my practice: The goal of this blog is to be glad I don't play Protoss and don't have to fight against the 4 warpgate rush in every mirror match. The fact that I played some Protoss, or that I normally play Terran, is incidental to the amount of 4gates that 4gate the 4gate in PvP.

Basically, the joke works like this: I wanted to play some Protoss, so I used this cool desktop background that shows some build orders and stuff on my 2nd monitor while i have the game open in my main screen. The PvP build order list includes some build orders that aren't 4gate.

In the 2nd image, I show the same screenshot with "4gate" scribbled all over it, along with pictures of 4 warpgates and "Korean 4 Warpgate All-in", and all the PvP builds that aren't 4gate crossed out.

Because of 4gate. In PvP.

This is a joke.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Aletheia27
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States267 Posts
August 24 2011 18:31 GMT
#11
I''m rather unhumorous...

Maybe I should frequent blogs less often

PS: Get blink :D
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