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Thanks to those you commented on my first post
Got redirected to making a blog from the general forums:
So my best buddy is a SC2 noob, he just picked up the starter edition, and we've been playing games for a week or 2 now. He played War3 a bit and some other RTS games, but he is ultra bad at multitasking, and just forgets to do stuff all the time. The worst part is he HATES losing. I like playing games with him, but he just gets too frustrated. We've played the A.I a lot and he's even won some matches against bronze level players, but generally he fails pretty hard.
He's watched some Day9 videos and I've tried to coach him, but to be honest he just get frustrated and angry because he just sucks at multitasking. Also, he is pretty impatient. Basically this game is prolly too much for his personality. Any thoughts on ways to make the game fun for him? Normally we do 2v2 and 1v1. When I 1v1 with him I use a 70% handicap, which makes our our armies about evenly matched, but honestly if we do anything besides throw our armies at each other he loses. I avoid doing any kind of harass or tactics just because I know he can't handle it.
My main concern is him having fun and getting better, any ideas on ways to make it fun? He really doesn't like watching replays and doesn't really have time to dedicate to the game. I still want to play with him, but I feel bad that he gets so angry.
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sounds pretty hopeless, first step would probably get him to see a therapist
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On August 24 2011 16:38 rift wrote:
sounds pretty hopeless, first step would probably get him to see a therapist
Thanks for that.
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On August 24 2011 16:40 streetbl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 16:38 rift wrote:
sounds pretty hopeless, first step would probably get him to see a therapist Thanks for that.
Just kidding  Play some UMS with him before regular games. Don't feel bad, it's his problem that he gets angry over a game. He needs to accept that he's just not good yet. Honestly, it's up to him.
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I can't see him playing any longer than a while with his impatience. If he wants to win, he has to be able to put in the time to tweak his gameplay... like his multitasking.
And dude, your post kinda describes your friend as a person who needs anger management...
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Absolutely zero time and zero patience? I don't see him succeeding in SC2.
Those traits, if in general present when attempting any activity, should prevent him from succeeding in any activity period. For example consider something he excels at. I'm sure he spends time doing it and continues doing it through difficulties. Perhaps try to identify why he is unwilling to spare time and patience specifically for SC2.
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Teach him the basic mechanics, let him practice these and THEN let him play games. If he doesn't want to do that he shouldn't rage because bad players with bad mechanics have to lose. Thats why we like this game so much. Bad players lose, good players win.
Thats like raging at football because you just run 0.003km/h.
If you don't know the basics and are not able to execute them properly you won't go far in anything.
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On August 24 2011 16:38 rift wrote:
sounds pretty hopeless, first step would probably get him to see a rapist
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why should he play a game which makes him THAT angry?
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"You cannot push anyone up the ladder unless he is willing to climb." - Andrew Carnegie
Don't force him to play that will just make him lose interest. You should try to make him watch MLG this weekend/ TSL3 VoDs, that should make him fall in love with SC2.
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Play cooperative, no way you can lose in that!
And when and if he's ready to accept some losses, then play team games and 1v1s and stuff, don't rush into it.
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SC2 is probably not the right game for him. Don't try to convince him to play it even if he sucks at it.
Some people are made for it, others are not. He is probably better suited for FPS games where he only has to focus on one thing.
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Were you the one that suggested he play SC2? Some people just don't like it or don't have the personality to play it. Maybe you guys could play another game together instead. Not everyone has to like SC2.
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Get him to play the campaign and learn the very basics of macro? I've never been put into this situation.
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On August 24 2011 18:42 Morfildur wrote:
Some people are made for it, others are not. He is probably better suited for FPS games where he only has to focus on one thing.
Just don't get him to play Quake :D
But yeah, I think the key is to be patient. All of my friends that played quit within about 2 weeks of playing, but that's what they've done with every game they ever played, so it's kinda hard. I think the UMS idea might be good, but just make sure he doesn't get addicted to them 
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play ums or play on normal speed instead of fastest. This helps new people focus on some slow basic multitasking. Also if they join a custom game on normal speed their opponent is basically guaranteed to be a super noob. I would also tell your friend to stick with one race hardcore, so that way he can start to get used to the macro mechanics and hot keys.
Also you should beat your friend. If he hates losing it's because he's really competitive. So if he starts losing a bunch to you due to harass he will change his game(after some raging).
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Just let him play the game if he's interested in it. Don't try and force him to do things like "correct" build orders or make him watch replays.
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Lol if he really hates it then he'll quite if he likes to play even though he loses he should be fine
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Don't make him play if he doesn't want to. If he doesn't like losing he will never get any better.
Remember not everyone can play Starcraft.
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Why try so hard to make him better at the game? Does he really want to become better, or is he playing just because you are? From the brief read, it sounds like your friend is indeed a competitor (hates losing) but SC2 might not be the game for him. Forcing your friend to bring his game up way above his average capacities may not be a great idea.
Instead, if you still want to play SC2 together, try UMS where you can focus on one aspect of the game. You're still playing SC2, spending fun gaming time together, and less rage for losing!
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If you are trying to get someone into SC2, I suggest playing team games with them (and with more friends too). Do some 4v4's and do craaaazy shit, like nuking someone every minute, massing queens, or some crazy stuff like that. People like to watch explosions, so nukes are a good way to go. If your friend sucks that much, just tell him to give you the money he doesn't use so that you can use it.
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Great responses all around. I appreciate the feedback. He does like the game. He loved single player, and AI matches. I wish he would get the Full version of the game so we could play more customs fun maps, right now were kinda limited. I try not to force him to into anything, but we live 3000 miles away and stay in touch through games, so its important that we find something we both like, and I figured SC2 would be good. I definitely think I'm going to have him watch MLG and a few other things. He has been getting better about not raging. Thanks Again.
also UMS.. those are custom scripted matches right?
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