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omg I feel so guilty(ladder)

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iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
July 17 2011 07:12 GMT
#1
Earlier today I was dying to cheeses on ladder which put me on tilt and reaffirmed my belief that ladder is a terrible way to practice. After dying to a 6 pool where I scouted my opponent last and he called me terrible afterward, I was so fed up that I decided to start 5 gating every game vs zerg and terran. Take that, ladder cheesers who make me rage!

The result? Both of my zerg opponents I played with this were extremely well mannered and said gg before they left. Now I feel like a terrible, terrible person T_T

Ah well, I'll remember their names and make sure I play a macro game the next time I match them!

**
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
July 17 2011 07:15 GMT
#2
You know, sometimes it seems like a terrible place to practice, but my view is that cheese practice is important as well. that being said, I still hate it also. This is why I cannot bring myself to hit that little button most of the time. I know the frustration. Oh well.
I feel bad when I cheese someone also. I almost want to apologize, but then if you do you know they will think you are being BM and not really mean it and it will just frustrate them more.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 07:19:58
July 17 2011 07:16 GMT
#3
Whenever I go on tilt after losing like 5 games in a row I just feel like baneling busting the hell out of the next opponent but I always manage to talk myself out of it because it doesn't really make me feel much better.

I just remind myself that I don't ladder to win but rather to improve and the frustration just comes with that. Plus I feel good after playing a nice macro game where I can look at the replay and point out what I can improve rather then all-in'ing and saying, well thanks for the 20 points!

Whenever I get cheesed I don't really worry about it, I just try to think of a way to deal with it the next time; a lot of the time it is just a simple mistake or micro that I could have responded, and there is rarely someone that will hide their cheese so well that I couldn't respond to it anyway.

All that being said I must be pretty lucky because I've never encountered someone who has harrassed me after any game :D Every now and then get another friendly guy and just discuss the game and where we felt we had it or lost it.

do you still gg whenever you get cheesed? Just curious o:
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 17 2011 07:21 GMT
#4
I get 6pooled enough on ladder to build my pylon+1st gate near my nexus

And hey, a win is a win
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
July 17 2011 07:33 GMT
#5
I remember this Zerg sent a bunch of speedlings at my base and I called him a cheesy loser. I watched the replay and it turned out to be a 14 pool. I felt bad afterwards.
foobahz
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
China68 Posts
July 17 2011 07:37 GMT
#6
my view is if you lose to cheese it's because you're being too greedy
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 07:44:33
July 17 2011 07:44 GMT
#7
Losing to cheeses = terrible way to practice, or getting on tilt = terrible way to practice? Cheeses are going to happen all the time in tournaments as well, better get used to it. Also what opening were you doing to lose to 6 pool?
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
July 17 2011 07:58 GMT
#8
Losing to cheese which causes me to tilt and start cheesing, which means no macro games all day. Then at the end I realize I was supposed to work on my minimap awareness and multitasking which I can't really do if I'm doing a 1 base allin every game.

I was going my usual 9 pylon scout, 13 gate, 15 gas opening in pvz but scouted my 6 pooling opponent last. In panic, I told the wrong probe to wall my front and the few seconds it took for me to realize my mistake was enough for the lings to run in. Oh yeah the other game that annoyed me was when I scouted OC and no gas on cross positions shakuras, which means 1 rax CC 99% of the time because you're not supposed to get the OC if proxying, so I went 1 gate nexus and lost my first stalker to marines rallied to my ramp from proxy raxes.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 07:59:07
July 17 2011 07:58 GMT
#9
On July 17 2011 16:44 Anihc wrote:
Losing to cheeses = terrible way to practice, or getting on tilt = terrible way to practice? Cheeses are going to happen all the time in tournaments as well, better get used to it. Also what opening were you doing to lose to 6 pool?


If you build your second gas before zealot you'll likely die to a 6 pool. Its a really greedy thing to do if you havent scouted him yet but thats gonna be my guess. ^^

Edit: Guessed too late. Also was wrong. TT
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 17 2011 08:43 GMT
#10
Well I never cheese because when I try I always lose =(
I can't even cheese right
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
July 17 2011 09:01 GMT
#11
On July 17 2011 17:43 GhostKorean wrote:
Well I never cheese because when I try I always lose =(
I can't even cheese right


same But I can barely 4 gate so... yeah. lol
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Servius_Fulvius
Profile Joined August 2009
United States947 Posts
July 17 2011 09:03 GMT
#12
On July 17 2011 16:12 iamke55 wrote:
Ah well, I'll remember their names and make sure I play a macro game the next time I match them!


I wish all the gold/platinum ladder-ers felt the same!

Two nights ago I was 6pooled in zvz. But it was very badly done and I easily won. I'm on top of the world.

The NEXT game I get 6pooled again, but this time it was done quite well and I was murdered. Frown town. Different opponent, but still just as annoyed.

And then a few hours ago my opponent did a blind 3 rax allin. Despite being a little peeved I still said gg. Maybe the starcraft fairy will notice my acts and grant me good mannered cheesers!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 17 2011 09:09 GMT
#13
it's because when you cheese you need to follow it up with shit talking

it's a 2 step process and if you're missing one then you're not doing it right
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
July 17 2011 09:44 GMT
#14
On July 17 2011 16:21 101toss wrote:
I get 6pooled enough on ladder to build my pylon+1st gate near my nexus

And hey, a win is a win


It's possible to hold off 6-pool without walling the ramp?
stilez
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico130 Posts
July 17 2011 10:57 GMT
#15
On July 17 2011 18:44 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:21 101toss wrote:
I get 6pooled enough on ladder to build my pylon+1st gate near my nexus

And hey, a win is a win


It's possible to hold off 6-pool without walling the ramp?


Ever watched White-Ra? :E
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
July 17 2011 11:44 GMT
#16
On July 17 2011 18:44 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 16:21 101toss wrote:
I get 6pooled enough on ladder to build my pylon+1st gate near my nexus

And hey, a win is a win


It's possible to hold off 6-pool without walling the ramp?

yes, and it is actually easier

to be honest I am surprised more people don't make pylon and gateway at the ramp, it is more economical and you can just make a 2nd gate and core at your ramp to prevent getting owned by mass speedling
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
July 17 2011 11:55 GMT
#17
When i cheese and win, i leave first and give the win to the poor guy D:<
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
July 17 2011 12:08 GMT
#18
On July 17 2011 20:55 jodogohoo wrote:
When i cheese and win, i leave first and give the win to the poor guy D:<

You're awfully nice!
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
SnetteL
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Belgium473 Posts
July 17 2011 12:24 GMT
#19
On July 17 2011 20:55 jodogohoo wrote:
When i cheese and win, i leave first and give the win to the poor guy D:<


I do the same, but only when i'm drunk.

When i scout close pos on metalopolis or shattered i baneling bust or roach ling all in. But that's doesn't feel like real cheese to me.
Caps lock is cruise control for cool.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
July 17 2011 12:36 GMT
#20
Happens to me all the time.

Sometimes I even feel like saying GG after cheese itself is BM
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
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