Blasterion challenged me to make a guide to mecha. And I'm a huge mecha fan, its by far my favorite genre. I'LL SHOW HIM THE KIND OF GUIDE THAT COMES FROM TRUE COURAGE. There is alot more to mecha than what most people might tell just by looking at it from the outside. There are certain people who think they are all the same, when in fact mecha is one of the most diverse genre of anime out there.
What is 'mecha'? Mecha refers to Giant Robots of some sort. Anything from the AT-AT Walkers in Star Wars, to the Mobile Suits in Gundam, and even Thors, Dragoons, and Stalkers in Starcraft, are all mecha. Mecha can be piloted, or unmanned, or even sentient. Just as long as its a robot of some kind. This blog is going to talk about Mecha in Japanese Anime.
Now before I begin, there are two different categories of Mecha. There is "Real Robot", and "Super Robot". These terms can be misleading, so I will clarify. The terms come from a series of Strategy RPGs called "Super Robot Wars" (which are on many different consoles, and some even translated and released in the West). In the game, "Real Robot" are the really fast, small, nimble robots. Super Robots are the giant, heavily armored machines with swords, rocket punches, drills, etc. These terms have since been used to classify shows outside of the game. "Real Robot" does not mean a robot is realistic, since in the vast majority of cases, combat Robots are not realistic. However, "Real Robots" are portrayed to be at least semi-realistic, and function as the tanks, or jets, or some other generic combat vehicle in its fiction. Super Robots don't give a fuck about realism. Super Robots are mecha that more or less have super powers, and generally do very over-the-top stuff, have hot-blooded fist fights, create weapons out of no where, etc etc. So these two sub categories are really quite different. I'll start off with the one that most people are probably most familiar with, "Real Robot" Mecha.
Real Robot Mecha: Real Robot shows tend to be alot more serious. Pretty much every Real Robot anime is a war story. In these, while the Robots are [normally] a main draw, these also generally focus heavily on the story and characters. Expect lots of drama, lots of combat.
Mobile Suit Gundam
Whats a "Gun Damn?" Mobile Suit Gundam is the anime that defines "Real Robot" anime. It was released in 1979, and for the first time ever portrayed robots as tools of war, and told a drama filled war story (unlike the previous works like Mazinger Z). Mobile Suit Gundam is consider to be a classic, and it really is. It has spawned off many, many different sequels and spin offs, and they are still making new Gundams today. Because of this, it might be a bit intimating to jump into Gundam, since you might not know where to start. If this is the case, then this chart will probably be really helpful to get you started: Gundam Starter Chart
This series pretty much defines the Real Robot genre. Even newer stuff like Code Geass borrows heavily from Gundam. Generally, these shows have a conflict between the Earth, and huge orbiting Space Colonies. The Robots are called "Mobile Suits". A "Gundam" has no set definition, but they are normally a prototype mobile suit, or a very high performance mobile suit, and are used by the main character/chief enemies.
I've already written a big long post about all the different Gundams, so if you are interested in seeing which show is about which, feel free to read it here.
The short version, is if you are new to Gundam, I recommend (in no particular order) any of these as a starting point: Mobile Suit Gundam Trilogy (movie trilogy). Gundam SEED. Gundam 00. Gundam: 08th MS Team. G Gundam. Gundam Wing.
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross
Along with Gundam, SDF Macross is another extremely iconic and long running Mecha series. People who grew up in the United States in the 80s might be familiar with "Robotech", which is personally my favorite anime. Robotech is [more or less] Macross adapted for Western Audiences.
SDF Macross starts when an Alien space ship crashes on the Earth. The people on the Earth study it, rebuild the ship, develop their own robots. Then, the Aliens who made the Ship come looking for them, and war begins. What sets Macross apart from other shows in the genre, is this show popularized the transformable Mech. The Valkyrie (or Veritech in Robotech) is a robot that has 3 different modes: Battloid, which is its normal Robot form. Fighter, which is a jet form, and for the original Valkyrie, looks almost exactly like an F-14. And Gerwalk (or Guardian in Robotech), which is a hybrid between the two.
Macross is known for two things. One, is its Dogfights:
And the dogfights in pretty much every Macross show are all really cool.
The second thing is Pop singers and music. One of the ideas behind this is that the aliens they fight have never encountered anything like human culture before, so when they hear music (or see people kissing), they completely freak out and get confused.
The good thing about Macross, is even though there are a good number of shows, and they are all in the same timeline (mostly), they are made such that you can watch any of the shows in any order. Previous shows get mentioned, but its mostly just "We fought aliens in a war once". The story of each series is pretty much self contained.
If you are starting Macross, I recommend the original (Super Dimensional Fortress Macross), Macross: Do You Remember Love? (a movie compilation of the original), Macross Plus (Macross + Top Gun), or Macross Frontier.
Code Geass: Lelouche of the Rebellion
I'll be honest with you, I'm overall not a big fan of Code Geass. For example, I was tempted to use this as the Code Geass picture. However, Code Geass is extremely popular, even among people who "don't normally watch anime". This wouldn't really be a respectable blog if I didn't include it lol. Code Geass is an mecha anime that tends to focus on the battle of minds between commanders. Lelouche, the main character, also has an ability that will allow him to issue an command to anyone who looks him into the eye once, and the command must be followed. Lelouche decides to use this power he now has, combined with his intelligence, to over throw the Britannian Empire.
Mechs in Code Geass are alot smaller, and more realistic than Gundam or Macross. People try to pretend that Code Geass isn't really a mecha anime, but it is. All battles are fought with mechs, and there is even a mini arms race between the Lancelot and the Gurren in this show.
I thought the first season was pretty good. Where my opinion about the show disagrees with popular opinion, however, is the second season, R2. In my very humble opinion, the show jumped the shark. But some people like Emperors who transform into rockets, or blind men with rifles and pregnant women leading the charge to over throw an empire, and call it good plot. Your mileage may vary.
I could go on and on about different shows here, so I'll wrap it up with some other suggestions: Full Metal Panic!: Mecha drama, with high school comedy stuff, that is actually pulled off well. Martian Successor Nadesico: Mecha drama, combined with alot of light-hearted comedy. Armored Trooper VOTOMs: Extremely realistic for a mecha show, badass main character, disappointing ending, many OVA sequels and spinoffs, early 80s anime. Blue Gender: TvZ in anime form Escaflowne: Mecha, except in a fantasy setting with knights and dragons.
Super Robot Mecha: Super Robot stuff is oddly one of the most under-appreciated genres. Its also the oldest mecha genre. Super Robot shows are all about enjoyment, and less about plot. The stories are mostly about hot-blooded, manly protagonist, who control extremely powerful, physics defying robots, and fight monsters or aliens. I'll start off with one that is actually abnormally popular:
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
This show is all about hot blooded manly guys kicking reason to the curb, never giving up, and just doing alot of crazy stuff fighting the Beastmen, and later the Anti-Spirals. For example:
This show has really good animation, good production value, and mirrors some of the best stuff in the genre. The show starts off with Simon, a quiet and cowardly boy, finding a small mech. His friend, a hot blooded/manly/crazy guy by the name of Kamina, encourages him, and when their village is unexpectedly attacked, they start off on a journey to see the world, and defeat the Beastmen.
This is a little disclaimer, and I'll try to do it as spoiler free as possible. Believe in this show. You might get depressed at a certain point, but trust me, the show will make up for it. Keep at it.
I also find this show fairly tragic. Gurren Lagann is really good. People will watch Gurren Lagann, and go "Man, I don't normally like Mecha shows, but that was good!" And that makes me rage. Gurren Lagann, while it is very good, doesn't actually add anything to the genre. It borrows from many other past Super Robot shows, and wraps them up in Gainex' budget.
Mazinger Z
Mazinger Z is the anime that invented the piloted robot. The original Mazinger Z was aired back in the 70s, and had the sequels Great Mazinger, and Grendizer. While they are iconic, I wouldn't recommend watching these old shows. HOWEVER, Mazinger has many new shows made in the past 20 years that are definitely worth a watch.
Standing above them all, is "Shin Mazinger Shogeki! Z Hen", or simply Shin Mazinger Z. It is a remake, a re-imagining of the original Mazinger Z. This is also a fairly recent show. Kabuto Kouji is a student, who is entrusted by his grandfather with a powerful Robot, Mazinger Z. When Kouji's grandfather dies in an attack by Doctor Hell (lol yeah, I know), Kouji vows to get revenge, and begins fighting against Doctor Hell's mechanical beasts. It is hotblooded, it has crazy attacks, plenty of badass characters. I personally thought the plot was okay too, Mazinger isn't really about the plot.
Mazinkaiser is another good one. Mazinkaiser was made in 2001, and again follows the story of Kabuto Kouji. However, Kouji and Mazinger Z are overrun and defeated by Doctor Hell's forces. Kouji then is lead to a secret hangar, where the greatest robot, Mazinkaiser, was kept. With this new Robot, Kouji starts fighting Doctor Hell to finish things once and for all. And then there is a Mazinkaiser Movie, and that was pretty good as well.
Getter Robo
Getter Robo is one of my favorite series. Getter Robo in the 70s basically invented the combining robot. However, the 70s show was basically a Mazinger Z that was piloted by 3 people, that combined. It wasn't until 1998, with the release of Getter Robo Armageddon, that the show went true to how the manga was. Getter Robo Armageddon was dark. It had a plot that wasn't "monster of the week". Its animation was like a mix between old and new. And last but not least, the characters in this show are bat-shit fucking insane, in a good way.
The main character of Getter Robo is a guy called Nagare Ryoma, and he is in my opinion the best character in anime. Imagine Kamina from Gurren Lagann, except more insane and badass. The exploits of Nagare Ryoma include:
throwing a sword (by the blade) with enough force to sever a man's arm; jumping hundreds of feet from a helicoptor onto a car and suffering only minor discomfort; climbing up the face of a rampaging Getter-2 to punch the pilot in the face; resisting an animal tranquilizer strong enough to kill most men even after nearly bleeding to death immediately beforehand; breaking a katana by flexing his chest muscles; and punching dinosaurs to death
Note that alot of this happens in the manga, so you won't actually get to see it all animated. The other pilots are similar in nature. Hayato is a smart, murderous, insane terrorist turned pilot turned scientist turned leader. Musashi and Benkei are the most level headed, and are the big/slow/strong type.
New Getter Robo is an anime that retells the original story, except more in line with the original manga, featuring the characters I talked about above. They are fighting against the Mysterious Oni, who seem intent on destroyed the Getter Robo. This is a very good introduction to the series. It can be kinda monster of the week, but the show itself isn't that long, and its still plenty awesome. I've wrote a longer review of this, that you can check out on a now-dead forum I used to be active here.
Its sort of hard to describe how the different Getter shows relate. They are all pretty much alternate universes to each other, but share the same characters, and basic plot points. Getter Robo Armageddon is basically a continuation the Getter story. Not a continuation of New Getter, but of another "starting Getter" story. Getter Robo Armageddon is without question the best Getter production ever made. It has a plot, it has badass robots (sup Black Getter), it has badass characters, it has Ryoma getting pissed and cutting Jupiter in half. If you liked Gurren Lagann, you should definitely watch this. Gurren Lagann borrows a ton from Getter Robo, so much so that people mistake Getter Robo references for Gurren Lagann references (proof).
Aim for the Top! Gunbuster
Gunbuster was an OVA series from the 80s, that put Gainex (Evangelion, Gurren Lagann) on the map. This is another series that Gurren Lagann drew alot of influence from. The story is about a girl, Takaya Noriko, who is untalented, and average. However, her dream is to go into space one day. She is the daughter of a war hero, who died against the mysterious Space Monsters, who threaten mankind. Noriko is eventually selected to go on a mission against these Space Monsters. Noriko, with hard work and guts, has to rise to the challenge, aim for the top, and save humanity.
Gunbuster is only 6 episodes, but in those 6 episodes, it does what some shows aren't able to in 50 episodes. The climax of episode 4, and then episode 5 have some of the most epic scenes in anime. Gunbuster has another draw as well. TL User Spazer, who isn't a mechafag like I am, loves Gunbuster because of how hard-science fiction it is, at least in certain non-Gunbuster aspects. For example, the ships fire lasers out of lenses, and not cannons. Time dilation when moving at faster-than-light is actually used as a legitimate plot point. In the words of Spazer, "I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The science in Gunbuster is probably some of the best I've ever seen. The writers did their research for this series, and it definitely shows."
Again, I could go on and on about this category, so I'll just sum up some other shows here: Neon Genesis Evangelion: Yeah, this is a super robot show, although it is very uncharacteristic with a whiny main character, and a dark and serious plot. Considered a classic, and is basically a deconstruction of the genre. King of Braves: GaoGaiGar: GaoGaiGar was a "reconstruction" of mecha after Evangellion. Pretty much everything is over the top (like the Goldion Hammer), and full of COURAGE and MORE COURAGE. GaoGaiGar started out as a kids show, but eventually changed target audiences half way through and got really awesome. GaoGaiGar Final was the Gurren Lagann before Gurren Lagann (it really is that awesome, plus even more). Shinkon Gattai Godannar: The best way to sum this one up is that its all about BOTH of my favorite types of fanservice: Mecha fanservice and boobs. Its a fun show, lots of cool fights, and lots of hot anime girls. I mean shit, even some of the mechs in this show have huge breasts lol.
Thats about it. Keep in mind, I only focused on the anime stuff, but there are tons of games and stuff out there, but you didn't need me to tell you that. There are also alot more mecha anime that I didn't mention, so don't get salty if I didn't mention your favorite or something.
This was more of a guide than Blasterion's yuri thing, imho, since he just sort of extolled the virtues of yuri versus actually guiding us. :>
I object, since there was more to talk about in mecha than yuri, Mecha is very distinguished, where as most Yuri are pretty similar
Eh, fair enough.
I wonder whether some blogs would be closed if long-time members of the thread randomly started making their own guide for each genre and...wait...omg this is genius! Each contributing member should make a separate guide so that we have a guide for each genre! :3
This was more of a guide than Blasterion's yuri thing, imho, since he just sort of extolled the virtues of yuri versus actually guiding us. :>
I object, since there was more to talk about in mecha than yuri, Mecha is very distinguished, where as most Yuri are pretty similar
Eh, fair enough.
I wonder whether some blogs would be closed if long-time members of the thread randomly started making their own guide for each genre and...wait...omg this is genius! Each contributing member should make a separate guide so that we have a guide for each genre! :3
Then'd we'd have Southlight and Ecael, harsh critcs of ADT crushing every series under foot. But they are the ones who are most experienced in the genres.
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
On June 18 2011 03:35 Blasterion wrote: Can we get Caller to do a [G]Caller's Guide to Alicesoft ?
Oh jesus lol
Though he probably could get away with it
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
War in the Pocket is a side story to the original Gundam, takes place towards the end of the war. Gundam ZZ, or Double Zeta Gundam, is a direct sequel to Zeta Gundam, which is a sequel to the original. Zeta takes place 8 years after the original, so ZZ Gundam takes place 9 years after the original.
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
On June 18 2011 03:35 Blasterion wrote: Can we get Caller to do a [G]Caller's Guide to Alicesoft ?
Oh jesus lol
Though he probably could get away with it
Instead of H-scenes and stuff he'll talk about like game mechanics and stuff, Like Macro and Micro and stuff lol
Oh right haha o.e"
On June 18 2011 03:44 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
Attach a [NSFW] tag and you are cleared =P
Haha :D
Though hentai is so broad that I feel like one can't do it justice unless one makes a giant manifesto with every single hentai subgenre too lol
...and yeah, the only hentais with any semblance of a plot are freaking netorare usually they just give a premise and then it's nonstop sex, interrupted briefly by an intertitle D': (as you know ofc)
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
On June 18 2011 03:35 Blasterion wrote: Can we get Caller to do a [G]Caller's Guide to Alicesoft ?
Oh jesus lol
Though he probably could get away with it
Instead of H-scenes and stuff he'll talk about like game mechanics and stuff, Like Macro and Micro and stuff lol
Oh right haha o.e"
On June 18 2011 03:44 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
Attach a [NSFW] tag and you are cleared =P
Haha :D
Though hentai is so broad that I feel like I can't do it justice unless I make it a giant manifesto with every single hentai subgenre too ><
...and yeah, the only hentais with any semblance of a plot are freaking netorare usually they just give a premise and then it's nonstop sex, interrupted briefly by an intertitle D': (as you know ofc)
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
On June 18 2011 03:35 Blasterion wrote: Can we get Caller to do a [G]Caller's Guide to Alicesoft ?
Oh jesus lol
Though he probably could get away with it
Instead of H-scenes and stuff he'll talk about like game mechanics and stuff, Like Macro and Micro and stuff lol
Oh right haha o.e"
On June 18 2011 03:44 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
Attach a [NSFW] tag and you are cleared =P
Haha :D
Though hentai is so broad that I feel like I can't do it justice unless I make it a giant manifesto with every single hentai subgenre too ><
...and yeah, the only hentais with any semblance of a plot are freaking netorare usually they just give a premise and then it's nonstop sex, interrupted briefly by an intertitle D': (as you know ofc)
Reminds me of them nukige
I haven't played that many eroges (e.g illusion) since my computer can't handle them, and I don't usually play VNs because they take a while and/or because I can't find english patches heh
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
On June 18 2011 03:35 Blasterion wrote: Can we get Caller to do a [G]Caller's Guide to Alicesoft ?
Oh jesus lol
Though he probably could get away with it
Instead of H-scenes and stuff he'll talk about like game mechanics and stuff, Like Macro and Micro and stuff lol
Oh right haha o.e"
On June 18 2011 03:44 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
Attach a [NSFW] tag and you are cleared =P
Haha :D
Though hentai is so broad that I feel like I can't do it justice unless I make it a giant manifesto with every single hentai subgenre too ><
...and yeah, the only hentais with any semblance of a plot are freaking netorare usually they just give a premise and then it's nonstop sex, interrupted briefly by an intertitle D': (as you know ofc)
Reminds me of them nukige
I haven't played that many eroges (e.g illusion) since my computer can't handle them, and I don't usually play VNs because they take a while and/or because I can't find english patches heh
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
I did expain a lot of things in the TL Haven & Hearth Irc channel and the people were really interested in it ^_^
*___*
They liked the part where I told them about all the different genres, like scat, guro etc.
O__O I'm scared lol
Da raep/NTR is as extreme/weird as I get (and I don't particularly like the latter either), because most of the more perverse/deviant genres are just sort of bleh
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
I did expain a lot of things in the TL Haven & Hearth Irc channel and the people were really interested in it ^_^
*___*
They liked the part where I told them about all the different genres, like scat, guro etc.
Lol mecha guide derailed into Hentai thread....I am guilty as well though.....We need to inject ourselves with YUKI!
The reason you didn't write your own mecha guide! The reason you wrote a yuri guide! The reason you didn't tell Ferrose to write a loli guide! The reason you helped derail this topic! The reason you didn't watch GaoGaiGar Final with me and Ferrose! It's all because... YOU FEARED ME.
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
I did expain a lot of things in the TL Haven & Hearth Irc channel and the people were really interested in it ^_^
*___*
They liked the part where I told them about all the different genres, like scat, guro etc.
O__O I'm scared lol
Da raep/NTR is as extreme/weird as I get (and I don't particularly like the latter either), because most of the more perverse/deviant genres are just sort of bleh
Yep, standard stuff for the win ^_^ Yuri is nice too, of course. Anything other than that...meh. That reminds me: On the Visual Novel DB site you always get to see four random VNs. Sometimes I look into things a bit more and there was one VN with extreme guro content. Like...really really bad D:
On June 18 2011 04:04 StorrZerg wrote: nice guide Guess i'll have to pick up another at some point now
Go with the older stuff first (I'm not a fan of TTGL or the new Macross anime.)
On June 18 2011 03:37 masterbreti wrote: quick question if I may.
Iused to colelct some gundam. Some japanese guy had a few dvd sets that he sold me. Where do the following fit into the timeline.
War in the pocket Gundam ZZ
@masterbreti: wikipedia says that gundam ZZ is right after zeta gundam chronologically, and that war in the pocket is a side story during the one year war
War in the Pocket sucks though, Sentenal and I were raging in the ADT about it some time ago.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: ^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
My Favorite Gundams are G and X personally
Hentai are bad stand alone, They need to lean on story and characters =/
Uh, that makes me remember that I'm still stuck with ZZ -_-
No, they are what fanservice anime are supposed to be. Just look at the anime nowadays, no plot, pure fanservice and then way too many episodes. I can get that with a hentai as well, uncensored, only two episodes. That's way better.
On June 18 2011 03:38 Z3kk wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:34 Lucumo wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:31 Z3kk wrote: I don't really watch that much anime anymore so I don't really have a specialty...
though it is true I prefer that animes stay mostly ecchi-free + Show Spoiler +
and that I prefer vanilla
And I thought I was the only person on TL like that. I do like "normal" hentai, but I prefer my anime without any ecchi or shitty fanservice.
^^ b
Need a hentai guide as well
but I'll get my ass kicked if I try to make one LOL ;___;
I did expain a lot of things in the TL Haven & Hearth Irc channel and the people were really interested in it ^_^
*___*
They liked the part where I told them about all the different genres, like scat, guro etc.
Lol mecha guide derailed into Hentai thread....I am guilty as well though.....We need to inject ourselves with YUKI!
The reason you didn't write your own mecha guide! The reason you wrote a yuri guide! The reason you didn't tell Ferrose to write a yuri guide! The reason you helped derail this topic! The reason you didn't watch GaoGaiGar Final with me and Ferrose! It's all because... YOU FEARED ME.
Because I watched GGGF already.... soooo I am thinking instead of that recommendation chart up on ADT right now we can just compile our guides
Perhaps I'm just a ravenous fan, but the Zeta movies were amazing. The ending is much better since it cuts out ZZ and those horrible antics. The Char and Amuro moments were remastered and beautiful. The Four scene was taken out, which could be good and bad depending on how you analyze her death and sacrifice.
On another note, what do you think of Igloo? I've always liked it, but then again I'm heavily biased towards Zeon.
I actually enjoyed R2 Sure, they kinda added a lot of nonsense plot devices but the finale was epic!
Gundam Wing was my first mecha series, back when they showed it on YTV near midnight... I didn't understand half of it at that age but it was awesome.
If you're interested in psychological-mecha series, you might want to check out Bokurano, which is another deconstruction of the mecha genre. Great mindfuck :D
On June 18 2011 04:18 Kamille wrote: Perhaps I'm just a ravenous fan, but the Zeta movies were amazing. The ending is much better since it cuts out ZZ and those horrible antics. The Char and Amuro moments were remastered and beautiful. The Four scene was taken out, which could be good and bad depending on how you analyze her death and sacrifice.
On another note, what do you think of Igloo? I've always liked it, but then again I'm heavily biased towards Zeon.
Sent hasn't seen Igloo, but I own the movie. I wasn't a huge fan because... well it's cgi and I dislike cgi. The Char/Amuro moment in the movies were great, but the fact that Zeta cuts out Kamille's real ending was retarded for me. Also ZZ isn't that bad AFTER anime ja nai. It explains what happens going into Char's Counterattack well. Zeta movies were terrible bad not canon lets make it a happy ending crap.
On June 18 2011 04:18 Kamille wrote: On another note, what do you think of Igloo? I've always liked it, but then again I'm heavily biased towards Zeon.
Is pretty short to really comment on it but I thought it wasn't good. I mean, the idea was nice and all but somehow, the characters' gestures and facial expressions felt weird. The characters themselves...well, the main character was ok, the woman was useless and I laughed when+ Show Spoiler +
her brother died
because the whole scene was just ridiculous. The people who are testing the machines, well, they are pretty much all the same, except for the last episode(s). The series contains some nice background information and the general feeling outside the other ones, but still...I don't know. Just couldn't bring myself to like it, like I said: Nice idea but other than that...
On June 18 2011 04:18 Kamille wrote: Perhaps I'm just a ravenous fan, but the Zeta movies were amazing. The ending is much better since it cuts out ZZ and those horrible antics. The Char and Amuro moments were remastered and beautiful. The Four scene was taken out, which could be good and bad depending on how you analyze her death and sacrifice.
On another note, what do you think of Igloo? I've always liked it, but then again I'm heavily biased towards Zeon.
Sent hasn't seen Igloo, but I own the movie. I wasn't a huge fan because... well it's cgi and I dislike cgi. The Char/Amuro moment in the movies were great, but the fact that Zeta cuts out Kamille's real ending was retarded for me. Also ZZ isn't that bad AFTER anime ja nai. It explains what happens going into Char's Counterattack well. Zeta movies were terrible bad not canon lets make it a happy ending crap.
I just hate ZZ so much that changing canon to erase it from existence is okay by me. The only good scenes were with Kamille and that glimpse of Sayla, if I'm remembering it correctly. I hate Judau and his 20 newtype friends. Part of that probably stems from the fact that they replaced some of the best characters from Zeta. They were just so annoying compared to the original pilots of their respective mobile suits.
Igloo's animation was okay, but the characters are the defining trademark. I just loved the dedication of the crew to go out in mobile suits that were basically death traps. Each episode was sad, but somewhat inevitable given the result of the One Year War.
IS was horrible. Only redeeming factor to it was the fact that Kana Hanazawa did some voice acting in it.
I'm not too much of a mecha fanatic but I really really loved Neon Genesis Evangelion. It was one of the few animes of its time that had a good psychological aspect to it to ponder about. And then there was Android 009, man I loved that series, does it still count as mecha?
Personally I'm a hardcore comedy/gag anime guy. Nothing better than to come home from work to a good laugh.
I curse you all with 1000 NTR trap hentais in your future 2D porn endeavors!
On June 18 2011 04:28 Kaal wrote: IS is not mecha. It's generic harem disgusting vomit.
Also I own about 10~ gunpla and about 4 diecasts. I'm painting an SD Sinanju atm.
Well, Charlotte was the first who came to mind when I thought of ojou. Perhaps I should have gone with Relena, but I don't have any Gundam Wing pictures saved on my hard drive. Hm.
Somehow your mention of an SD model made me think of SD Gundam Force. That was an... interesting series to watch.
On June 18 2011 04:33 Blasterion wrote: Or replace her with France.
On June 18 2011 04:27 MaGariShun wrote: can you call Visions of Escaflowne mecha too? I know it's not futuristic, but they still fight with mechs (kinda)
Yeah, Escaflowne is mecha. Another of my favorites.
And I got a TON of models. I posted them in that Figure topic a while back.
Well when you think about it, it makes sense, doesn't it? A walking tank falling from high altitude is probably going to break a lot of shit. I just love all the little details in VOTOMS.
Well when you think about it, it makes sense, doesn't it? A walking tank falling from high altitude is probably going to break a lot of shit. I just love all the little details in VOTOMS.
lol it's pretty cool, btw I love myself some Macross Missile Massacre
Sentenal, you got the plot summary for Macross all wrong. It's about a small town that gets sent to space in a bubble, which then has to fight evil aliens to get back to Earth.
Sentenal, you got the plot summary for Macross all wrong. It's about a small town that gets sent to space in a bubble, which then has to fight evil aliens to get back to Earth.
On June 18 2011 10:35 pathy wrote: in your opinion, what is the sexiest mecha unit of all time?
Define "sexiest" lol. Do you mean, like fembots, or overall design wise? If you are talking about fembots, my mecha waifus are KouRyu and AnRyu, which Ferrose posted. If you are talking design wise, this is the sexiest mech design ever: NZ-666 Kshatriya:
On June 18 2011 10:35 pathy wrote: in your opinion, what is the sexiest mecha unit of all time?
Define "sexiest" lol. Do you mean, like fembots, or overall design wise? If you are talking about fembots, my mecha waifus are KouRyu and AnRyu, which Ferrose posted. If you are talking design wise, this is the sexiest mech design ever: NZ-666 Kshatriya:
On June 18 2011 10:35 pathy wrote: in your opinion, what is the sexiest mecha unit of all time?
Define "sexiest" lol. Do you mean, like fembots, or overall design wise? If you are talking about fembots, my mecha waifus are KouRyu and AnRyu, which Ferrose posted. If you are talking design wise, this is the sexiest mech design ever: NZ-666 Kshatriya:
Valsione is sad....
Valsione isn't sentient, and no "Symmetrical Docking" :p
On June 18 2011 10:35 pathy wrote: in your opinion, what is the sexiest mecha unit of all time?
Define "sexiest" lol. Do you mean, like fembots, or overall design wise? If you are talking about fembots, my mecha waifus are KouRyu and AnRyu, which Ferrose posted. If you are talking design wise, this is the sexiest mech design ever: NZ-666 Kshatriya:
Valsione is sad....
Valsione isn't sentient, and no "Symmetrical Docking" :p
That's true.... but Fairlions have Royal Heart Breaker.....well to be fair, Type G and S are cute, but don't fall into the sexy category
On June 19 2011 13:38 x-Catalyst wrote: Best blog/guide evarrrrrr! I love anything that involves giant robots/knights/and other cool shit like that. Fuck yeah.
Giant Robots+Knights=Escaflowne:
If you haven't seen it, you should check it out. Its one of the only ones of its kind (mecha+knights)
On June 19 2011 13:38 x-Catalyst wrote: Best blog/guide evarrrrrr! I love anything that involves giant robots/knights/and other cool shit like that. Fuck yeah.
On June 23 2011 04:41 kakaman wrote: Where's Voltron?
What about it? Voltron doesn't really have much significance other than being less popular than Robotech when it was adapted and released in America in the 80s. GoLion (the series that was the first Voltron) and Dairugger XV (which made up Voltron 2) were just generic super robot shows of the early 80s.
Sure, the shows existed, and Voltron was fairly popular back in the mid 80s when released in America, but outside that, they haven't aged well, and didn't really have any impact at all on the genre.
The OP needs to be shot on sight for blasphemy...How dare you suggest mecha anime and not mention E7.
Seriously though, watching this series is something Id recommend to anyone as something to do before you die. Personally, im no huge anime fan(ive only seen a handful..like 8 or so) but this is seriously the best one by far even when measured against non-mecha. One of the best example of storytelling ive ever seen. Watch IT!!!!!
Eureka 7 is like Gundam X except with more annoying characters and no Gundams. I don't recommend it. I can hold my nose and recommend Code Geass and Evagelion, but I can't bring myself to do that for Eureka 7.
I will concede that E7 can get annoyingly cheesy and downright childish but once you can get past that, its a great series.
Our tastes are clearly different. Both E7 and CG are among my favorites for specific reasons. They both have such strong storytelling like competent plot twists and climaxes and great character development. They both have morally ambiguous protagonists and most importantly they treat their respective subject matters with relative seriousness throughout unlike over the top bullshit like bleach. Oh yes and also what both these anime series achieve beautifully are their emotional weight. This is like 70% of the reason i love them both.
After watching these, I searched for other gems like them that might be out there and settled on Gundam seed after reading reviews and shit. Only managed to watch half of it before i gave up.
Usually when I start watching a new anime series I force my self to watch the 1st few episodes before i decide. With all the ones that ive enjoyed, they hooked me by the 5th-8th episode. 26 episodes and there was no magic with Gundam Seed. While it has potential, it was just too boring. Its frightfully devoid of good climaxes and/or stunning revelations and there are no impressive plot twists.
Since then ive avoided anything with "gundam" in the title like a plague. Everyone has different tastes i guess.
Good animes or even stories in general present you with a 'what' in the beginning and over the course of the story gives you the 'whys' and sometimes the 'hows' which makes for good plot twists etc.
The thing is, SaRrAceN, you are arguing about the quality of E7 as being a successful anime/story, but this does not necessarily mean successful as mecha. If you want to say something was a good anime, I can accept that, and if someone says differently, then we can just say it's a difference in taste and leave it at that. However, the topic of this blog is mecha, not anime, and E7 really wasn't very good if you look at it from a mecha fan perspective. I feel like it comes down to you not actually liking pure mecha but rather other genres like drama or psychology which sometimes are combined with mecha (such as in E7 and Code Geass).
I'm planning on watching Eueka 7 since it is about to be taken off of Anime News Network soon and it seems interesting.
I'm mostly a fan of 80's and 90's mechanical designs. For 80's mechs I mainly perfer those from Gundam, L-Gaim, and Dragonar (I still have yet to watch the latter two). I also liked the 90's Gundam and SRW designs. However more recent mecha look too slim and look strange too me although the Mazinkaiser SKL looks pretty cool. I still have a lot of anime on my to watch list such as Dunbine, Vifam , Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, and a bunch of others. I learned of most of these anime from SRW or plamo. I collect gunpla as Bandai kits are cheaper and easier to build than other plastic models (which is why I don't have any SRW or Zoids kits).
Also how did this thread get to 6 pages and Cybuster did not get a single mention? It was one of the earliest original mechs in SRW and it has a cool theme song and moveset:
On June 23 2011 16:42 KazeHydra wrote: The thing is, SaRrAceN, you are arguing about the quality of E7 as being a successful anime/story, but this does not necessarily mean successful as mecha. If you want to say something was a good anime, I can accept that, and if someone says differently, then we can just say it's a difference in taste and leave it at that. However, the topic of this blog is mecha, not anime, and E7 really wasn't very good if you look at it from a mecha fan perspective. I feel like it comes down to you not actually liking pure mecha but rather other genres like drama or psychology which sometimes are combined with mecha (such as in E7 and Code Geass).
I wasnt arguing anything, im just saying give it a chance before shooting it down. However you make an interesting point about being 'good mecha' as opposed to being a good anime in general. Its not the first time ive seen such a distinction but I still dont get it. Im curious as to what 'true' anime fans would consider good mecha because anime series like any Gundam derivative cant seem to hold my interest at all yet they are loved by many. Am I missing something ?
On June 23 2011 04:41 kakaman wrote: Where's Voltron?
What about it? Voltron doesn't really have much significance other than being less popular than Robotech when it was adapted and released in America in the 80s. GoLion (the series that was the first Voltron) and Dairugger XV (which made up Voltron 2) were just generic super robot shows of the early 80s.
Sure, the shows existed, and Voltron was fairly popular back in the mid 80s when released in America, but outside that, they haven't aged well, and didn't really have any impact at all on the genre.
On June 23 2011 16:42 KazeHydra wrote: The thing is, SaRrAceN, you are arguing about the quality of E7 as being a successful anime/story, but this does not necessarily mean successful as mecha. If you want to say something was a good anime, I can accept that, and if someone says differently, then we can just say it's a difference in taste and leave it at that. However, the topic of this blog is mecha, not anime, and E7 really wasn't very good if you look at it from a mecha fan perspective. I feel like it comes down to you not actually liking pure mecha but rather other genres like drama or psychology which sometimes are combined with mecha (such as in E7 and Code Geass).
I wasnt arguing anything, im just saying give it a chance before shooting it down. However you make an interesting point about being 'good mecha' as opposed to being a good anime in general. Its not the first time ive seen such a distinction but I still dont get it. Im curious as to what 'true' anime fans would consider good mecha because anime series like any Gundam derivative cant seem to hold my interest at all yet they are loved by many. Am I missing something ?
Gundam is a 30 year old franchise. Therefore most shows have had different directors and writing of varying quality. You've stated that you avoid Gundam because you disliked Gundam Seed. Gundam Seed is one of those series that is loved by many but hated by many as well. Seeing as Sentenal compared E7 to Gundam X maybe you should try that. You can also try the 80's Gundam series and movies (the trilogy and Char's Counterattack). 0080, 0083, and 08 MS team are also liked by Gundam fans due to their unique protagonists and stories as well as being more realistic than their TV counterparts. Many people outside Japan first got into Gundam when they watched W or G on tv in the early 2000's. However more of their appeal is stuff getting blown up all the time and less on the story, although many people do enjoy them. There are a lot of series to choose from so don't hate Gundam because of one series you (and many others) didn't like. It's like someone hating the entire Star Wars franchise because of Episode 1 or hating the entire Alien franchise because of Resurrection.
On June 23 2011 16:09 SaRrAceN wrote: I will concede that E7 can get annoyingly cheesy and downright childish but once you can get past that, its a great series.
Our tastes are clearly different. Both E7 and CG are among my favorites for specific reasons. They both have such strong storytelling like competent plot twists and climaxes and great character development. They both have morally ambiguous protagonists and most importantly they treat their respective subject matters with relative seriousness throughout unlike over the top bullshit like bleach. Oh yes and also what both these anime series achieve beautifully are their emotional weight. This is like 70% of the reason i love them both.
After watching these, I searched for other gems like them that might be out there and settled on Gundam seed after reading reviews and shit. Only managed to watch half of it before i gave up.
Usually when I start watching a new anime series I force my self to watch the 1st few episodes before i decide. With all the ones that ive enjoyed, they hooked me by the 5th-8th episode. 26 episodes and there was no magic with Gundam Seed. While it has potential, it was just too boring. Its frightfully devoid of good climaxes and/or stunning revelations and there are no impressive plot twists.
Since then ive avoided anything with "gundam" in the title like a plague. Everyone has different tastes i guess.
Good animes or even stories in general present you with a 'what' in the beginning and over the course of the story gives you the 'whys' and sometimes the 'hows' which makes for good plot twists etc.
What sort of plot twists or revelation were you looking for in SEED? It was a war story, telling the story of a person who was forced to fight his own people in a war he didn't want to fight. SEED goes out of its way to make both sides in the war look like the bad guys, and has a really strong anti-war message to it. So what sort of "whys" and "hows" were you looking for? I could also describe Gundam SEED with very similar language that you used to describe why you liked E7 and Code Geass lol.
Since you mention twists, and also mentioned Geass, I didn't like most of the "twists" in Code Geass, especially those in R2. Those twists existed for the sake of themselves, and at the expense of rationale and believability. They didn't really add much, and eventually they fell into the trap of having to constantly try to out-do themselves, and that resulted in lots of IMO stupidity.
Anyway, stylistically, E7 is very close to Gundam X. Renton x Eureka is closely modeled after Garrod x Tiffa, except Garrod is one of the best main characters ever, unlike Renton who I hated. Gundam X's main problem is that when it was airring, they stuck it in a horrible time slot that no one could watch, so it got bad ratings, and got canceled. Thus super rushed ending.
Also, like has been said, there is alot of variance in the Gundam franchise. Seeing that you do like some Mecha anime (E7 and Geass), there is bound to be a Gundam out there for you. Probably Zeta Gundam if you can tolerate old anime, or G Gundam if you like crazy stuff. Or 08th MS Team if you like realism.
On June 23 2011 17:57 CrackSpider93 wrote: I'm planning on watching Eueka 7 since it is about to be taken off of Anime News Network soon and it seems interesting.
I'm mostly a fan of 80's and 90's mechanical designs. For 80's mechs I mainly perfer those from Gundam, L-Gaim, and Dragonar (I still have yet to watch the latter two). I also liked the 90's Gundam and SRW designs. However more recent mecha look too slim and look strange too me although the Mazinkaiser SKL looks pretty cool. I still have a lot of anime on my to watch list such as Dunbine, Vifam , Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, and a bunch of others. I learned of most of these anime from SRW or plamo. I collect gunpla as Bandai kits are cheaper and easier to build than other plastic models (which is why I don't have any SRW or Zoids kits).
Also how did this thread get to 6 pages and Cybuster did not get a single mention? It was one of the earliest original mechs in SRW and it has a cool theme song and moveset:
If you like old mech designs, have you thought about VOTOMs? VOTOMs got a bit of publicity recently from SRW Z2, and I really liked it (note that I watched most of VOTOMs long before SRW Z2 lol). VOTOMs tries its hardest to be the most realistic and practical mecha show ever.
On July 27 2011 22:54 Blasterion wrote: oh yeah Sent what's with the whole "deculture" thing in Macross
The Zentraedi speak a different language. I THINK 'deculture' means something like "wtf" in their language. In the DYRL subbed version I watched, it was "unthinkable", so like when Max and Millia are fighting, and Max lol's at her, she would be like "wtf!!/deculture!!"
On July 27 2011 22:54 Blasterion wrote: oh yeah Sent what's with the whole "deculture" thing in Macross
The Zentraedi speak a different language. I THINK 'deculture' means something like "wtf" in their language. In the DYRL subbed version I watched, it was "unthinkable", so like when Max and Millia are fighting, and Max lol's at her, she would be like "wtf!!/deculture!!"
Valkyries seems to always shoot more missile than it ever could carry
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