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Tales of TvZ...living with disablity

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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 15:52:56
June 11 2011 07:23 GMT
#1
As I wait for Flash vs Zero MSL finals I feel compelled to share my own TvZ story with TL this fine evening....

Let me tell you it really sucks being handicapped. I must admit I denied it for a long time, always trying to ignore the warning signs, never even thinking of trying to diagnose myself. Anytime the disease started to show up I would just proxy 2 rax bunker rush sending the cancer back into temporary remission. But it was always still there...like that feeling you get in your throat the day before you become really sick. You can feel it coming and you know when you go to sleep you will probably wake up unable to move but you continue to deny, you fight against it. allining became my way of hiding the truth, it seemed to be the only way to possible achieve success in fighting this disease. As time went on the sickness would just spread and get worse and worse, it would creep everywhere turning everything purple. I would break out into all of these pox like pimples that required some sort of detection to remove, but whenever I would try to even move massive floods of shitstorm would just crush me so eventually after months of trying to mask it I just gave up.

I had to give in after a couple months and admitted myself to a mental hospital. unable to walk anymore I became confined to a TvZ deficiency wheelchair 24/7 and those were some of the darkest days ever. I would look out the window and see all my friends improving at great rates and having much success while I'm stuck in this wheelchair in the corner of the mental hospital fungaled to the ground unable to move an inch. As soon as the eternal fungal is about to wear out flocks of mutas swoop in and clean up any thoughts of success or any hopes and dreams of one day getting good. The issues were as mental as they were physical at this point. climbing the actual mountain would be insanely difficult as it was but now the mental hurdles to overcome felt impossible.

I've been trying to ditch this disability for years now dating back to the broodwar generation. As a young pup learning the ways of the brood wars everything seemed to fall into place nicely for the other two thirds of my life. But something dark in one area wouldn't seem to leave me no matter how hard I tried to escape it, it was always following me. Everywhere I went I could feel it watching me, mocking me, harassing me, preventing me from being all I could be. It started getting so bad as I was improving in the other two thirds of my life this darkness third would hold me back so hard. vs P/T was getting ready to graduate high school while vs Z was bogged down in prepubescent middle school. I would play games on iccup and beat a progamer Protoss one game and then lose a massgaming C zerg the next. That's how bad it became near the end. At my absolute best at the end of 2009 during the TSL2 ladder stage on iccup I could consistently beat B/B+ level protoss and struggled to scrap wins against mid C+ zergs. The variance there actually drove me to quit for 3 months and when I came back to fight through a messy 2010 wcg campaign the only thing I could do in broodwar anymore was timing push tvp...I was completely mindfucked my only wins against any sort of decent zerg was with cheese (proxy fact into 2port wraith was amazing for one game in a bo3 but I'd always lose the next two standard games really horribly...)

I put in many hours into improving TvZ. I sought out gosu TvZ users, kawaiirice in 2009-2010 had quite solid TvZ and I was always obsing him/asking him for advice and playing top Z users. I couldn't find any consistency or even playstyle that I felt comfortable with. I even got coaching from Light[alive] at one point when I ran into him early on in an iccup season and he played 5 games of him Z vs my T but I still continued to fail... Seemed like nothing could work for me....The lights went out in broodwar with me being pretty terrible in every matchup but my interest was already fading because the broodwar scene was dying, the only events to play in were wcgs and an occasional other tournament but that was it.

fast forwarding through sc2 beta...

As I waited in line for a midnight release of star2 I wondered if a new game would cure my seemingly incurable illness that was Terran vs Zerg. Through the beta I was too scared to face reality so I played protoss. Playing protoss was fun and all but I was born a terran and wasn't ready to leave my roots... After release I switched back to T main and it's honestly been a TvZ struggle ever since. I've messed around with mech, bio, bio/mech, turtle styles, queer shit, proxy rax builds allins, marine tank, double and triple expos. nothing seems to feel that good and I find myself yet again not able to compete vs solid Z....

Alas I have come to the conclusion that I must be genetically deficient in the matchup. That's ok at least now I understand my place in this world and I'm o.k. I can look back now and tell stories of horrible marine micro vs muta harass and horrible timings. Fail vessel control losing shittons of vessels to scourge pointlessly. Losing to 9pool into 2hatch muta every game even when I know it's coming...My tears have turned from tears of hold position lurkers into tears of mass fungal growth on huge clumps of marines and neural parasites on all my thors. Like a natural progression the woes have just continued...

Regardless of my personal experience with the game I will always look back with fondness in the TvZ matchup. Although I was never able to really grasp it at a level I was shooting for in broodwar it was always my favorite matchup to watch and as Flash plays Zero tonight in the MSL finals I'll be reminded of my personal journey with the game and can't help but smile at the beauty of the game regardless of my personal skill... My first OSL finals that I saw live online (in the early days of 2007 when streams weren't nearly as easy to come by) was Nada vs Savior...ridiculously epic TvZ....As 2007 went on we were treated with tons of epic finals TvZ, Iris vs GGplay later that year for the next OSL finals was probably more epic than Nada vs Savior.

as a fan of bw/sc2 I think anyone can appreciate how epic and awesome the game is and for me personally tvz will always be the hardest and most beautiful matchup to watch/play in bw. (the verdict is still out with sc2!)

Well that killed an hour, still got 40 minutes to go... lol :D

tldr:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually have cancer ! (although it feels like I do when I play tvz I'll tell you that D =p


*****
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
June 11 2011 07:51 GMT
#2
i thought u were a cancer patient plus handicapped individual in the first 3 paragraphs... very misleading. lol
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 07:59:41
June 11 2011 07:56 GMT
#3
I hope it wasn't too misleading... I tried to throw jokes in pretty early and have a little fun writing this. ^^

3 minutes to go !!
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 08:00:13
June 11 2011 07:58 GMT
#4
Yeah, I thought he was fighting cancer and likened his TvZ troubles to it

Nice read game's starting in a few minutes now, though!
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
June 11 2011 08:04 GMT
#5
Playing SK Terran is like, watching your units die and you can't do anything about it.

And you got lessons from Light? How was that even possible? I'm jealous.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 11 2011 08:08 GMT
#6
On June 11 2011 17:04 Nazza wrote:
Playing SK Terran is like, watching your units die and you can't do anything about it.

And you got lessons from Light? How was that even possible? I'm jealous.


yeah I ran into him at C ranks 2 days into an iccup season a few years ago.

I would always massgame early in iccup seasons and try to play pros before they moved up to A/A+ range, I played 5 games vs him and I msgd him for advice and he gave me shittons of advice, later I gave the reps to check hotkeys and romad confirmed it was him lol. that tactic of massgaming early in a season got me a game vs bisu, game vs july, games vs upmagic and shittons more. was so amazing lol.
Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
June 11 2011 08:09 GMT
#7
Wow, i can beat C+ protoss ZvP but struggle vs D+/C- Terrans ZvT.
Teach me how to frustrate Terrans like this ;_;
|| o.o
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 11 2011 08:13 GMT
#8
the funny thing was everyone always told me tvz was easier to play than tvp yet I did SO much better at the "harder" matchup... ^^

zvt is ridiculously hard for zerg to play, one mismicro with mutas and its basically gg.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 08:16:17
June 11 2011 08:15 GMT
#9
Almost 5000 posts. Staying up for the Finals too mate.

TvZ is hardest matchup imo. For both sides, especially with bio.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
June 11 2011 08:18 GMT
#10
Weird that you find bw tvz hard. BW tvz is easier than SC2 tvz (After normalizing for difference in game difficulty). I thought at the B- ranks, generally zerg > protoss, terran > zerg, protoss > terran.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 11 2011 08:28 GMT
#11
On June 11 2011 17:08 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 17:04 Nazza wrote:
Playing SK Terran is like, watching your units die and you can't do anything about it.

And you got lessons from Light? How was that even possible? I'm jealous.


yeah I ran into him at C ranks 2 days into an iccup season a few years ago.

I would always massgame early in iccup seasons and try to play pros before they moved up to A/A+ range, I played 5 games vs him and I msgd him for advice and he gave me shittons of advice, later I gave the reps to check hotkeys and romad confirmed it was him lol. that tactic of massgaming early in a season got me a game vs bisu, game vs july, games vs upmagic and shittons more. was so amazing lol.

Wow, awesome stuff. I remember when I made sure to snipe down as many top foreigners as possible during the beginning of the TSL 2 ladder, was so much fun. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 11 2011 08:34 GMT
#12
Is luckyfool a fan of either zero or flash, or is he just watching for the heck of it?
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 11 2011 09:05 GMT
#13
On June 11 2011 17:34 Z3kk wrote:
Is luckyfool a fan of either zero or flash, or is he just watching for the heck of it?


Luckyfool is a big terran fanboy haha, but specifically Flash I do believe
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
June 11 2011 11:02 GMT
#14
You're not alone. Every other SC2 Terran suffers the same with you lucky. We should make some bracelets or something.
Sup
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 11 2011 11:04 GMT
#15
I don't play much BW anymore, but BW ZvT is truly a timeless matchup, I could play it forever <3.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 11:50:01
June 11 2011 11:47 GMT
#16
On June 11 2011 20:02 avilo wrote:
You're not alone. Every other SC2 Terran suffers the same with you lucky. We should make some bracelets or something.


Like he'd want to make bracelets with his terran arch nemesis!!

You guys are like Raynor and Mengsk. Rob is obviously the good guy though, so you're an evil dictator (lol I always read that word as "dick tater") that must be stopped!!

This is evident in our LANs, as you always beat Rob...one day he will rise up and free us all from the tyranny that is Avilo winning the SC2 LANs!!

Rob did you ACTUALLY use "tlpd" instead of "tldr"

ohgod.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 20:47:09
June 11 2011 20:46 GMT
#17
TL;DR version of this blog: LuckyFool vs Darkcell. No offense.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
June 11 2011 21:24 GMT
#18
On June 11 2011 17:08 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 17:04 Nazza wrote:
Playing SK Terran is like, watching your units die and you can't do anything about it.

And you got lessons from Light? How was that even possible? I'm jealous.


yeah I ran into him at C ranks 2 days into an iccup season a few years ago.

I would always massgame early in iccup seasons and try to play pros before they moved up to A/A+ range, I played 5 games vs him and I msgd him for advice and he gave me shittons of advice, later I gave the reps to check hotkeys and romad confirmed it was him lol. that tactic of massgaming early in a season got me a game vs bisu, game vs july, games vs upmagic and shittons more. was so amazing lol.

Lol that is pretty pro right there.
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 22:46:40
June 11 2011 22:45 GMT
#19
+ Show Spoiler +
tldr; flash disagrees, waddap?


edit; disagrees with what? I dont know....stfu -_-
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 22:46:14
June 11 2011 22:45 GMT
#20
LOL? wtf i fail at posting
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
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