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So I was playing some of the SC2BW war maps with my friends and the more I think about it I think my love of BW is holding me back in accepting SC2 as a worthy successor. Every time I see games and play them I just feel that broodwar has the edge; it's units are cooler, the 'best' way to play was cooler, the strategies were cooler.
Every time I see stalkers with blink I just think how much better dragoons were and blizzard went and turned them into immortals, (now that I think about it immortals aren't robots so why are they built at the robotics facilaty?), I see marauders and just think they're silly. Hellions aren't nearly as cool as vultures.
I don't feel that the 'abilities' have the same flavour as units in BW, concussive shells, blink, corruption etc.
I feel it's important to note I'm not demanding change in SC2 just to accomodate someone like me clinging to childhood memories, if in the end SC2 just doesn't live up to BW I'll probably just forget about it, sad as that may be, and find another game I can enjoy without judging (part of the reason I don't want to play supreme commander 1 as I've only played 2 and don't want to have the games compete)
Some of the additions are good, but I don't understand the need to have removed or replaced the old units, like the guardian was fine and I don't think there was any reason to have a broodlord other than to push the units into a new level of 'clever' design
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i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game.
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On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game.
Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect.
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On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect.
Sc2 has better graphics  .
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On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics .
True but I still think BW is more pleasing to the eye ^^
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I don't see the problem. If you like BW more in every aspect, why does SC2 bother you at all? As long as you're not a pro player who wants to make money out of playing in the west, why not just play Brood War?
But if it's just nostalgia than yea, that can definitely diminish your enjoyment of SC2, that's just something you have to accept. Stuff moves on, can't change that 
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On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics .
Thats questionable. If by better graphics you mean more colors and shiny things, then yes.
If you mean the units design, then no. BW units look much more mature/serious/dark/real than SC2 ones that look like little toys.
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It's really just cause BW is better than SC2. And I love both of them.
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On May 26 2011 21:27 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics . Thats questionable. If by better graphics you mean more colors and shiny things, then yes. If you mean the units design, then no. BW units look much more mature/serious/dark/real than SC2 ones that look like little toys.
If by better graphics you mean any kind of accepted standard in judging video game graphics, SC2 has hugely better graphics than BW, it doesn't matter which ones you like better.
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On May 26 2011 21:29 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:27 fabiano wrote:On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics . Thats questionable. If by better graphics you mean more colors and shiny things, then yes. If you mean the units design, then no. BW units look much more mature/serious/dark/real than SC2 ones that look like little toys. If by better graphics you mean any kind of accepted standard in judging video game graphics, SC2 has hugely better graphics than BW
That's obviously not what he meant. There's no such thing as objectively good or bad graphics. It depends on the person, and this one obviously prefers BWs.
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It's hard not to compare them considering how related they are franchise-wise, genre-wise, and ostensibly game design-wise. However if you understand how superior BW is you really need to approach SC2 with a different mindset entirely otherwise it likely won't satisfy you. As long as you keep a lower expectation set for SC2, you should be fine.
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well, i kind of agree, accept for one thing
the dragoon
i hated the dragoon. That dam unit had the stupidest ai, not mention i think it sounded stupid. In my eyes the stalker >>>> dragoon. Not to mention i love blink/blink micro!
but in general i agree ^^
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God I hate this topic cause everytime I rage about storm not killing everything. wtf..... storm should kill everything in all matchups T_T
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On May 26 2011 22:09 Count9 wrote:
God I hate this topic cause everytime I rage about storm not killing everything. wtf..... storm should kill everything in all matchups T_T
Tanks should too 
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On May 26 2011 22:37 DoX.) wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 22:09 Count9 wrote:
God I hate this topic cause everytime I rage about storm not killing everything. wtf..... storm should kill everything in all matchups T_T Tanks should too
Plaguuuuuuu....... T_T
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On May 26 2011 21:58 EchOne wrote:
It's hard not to compare them considering how related they are franchise-wise, genre-wise, and ostensibly game design-wise. However if you understand how superior BW is you really need to approach SC2 with a different mindset entirely otherwise it likely won't satisfy you. As long as you keep a lower expectation set for SC2, you should be fine.
Again, why are you even bothering with SC2? I don't want to flame or anything, I'm honestly interested. If you think Brood War is the superior game in every aspect, why would you waste your time playing SC2?
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Yep, BW is better than SC2 as of now. we shall see what happens after the Legacy of the Void. I do agree with you though that I liked the gameplay of BW so much better. I loved being extra clutch and throwing down a few Dark Swarms over my base and then rushing in with lings and lurkers. I loved doing a clutch recall in my enemy's base or going mass mech and rolling anything.
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On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics .
BW has better aesthetics though, and when gamers talk about good, or beautiful "Graphics" they usually mean aesthetics.
High resolution textures and poly count a beautiful game does not make.
Reference material:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3201-Graphics-vs-Aesthetics
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On May 26 2011 23:03 Ryhn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics . BW has better aesthetics though, and when gamers talk about good, or beautiful "Graphics" they usually mean aesthetics. High resolution textures and poly count a beautiful game does not make. Reference material: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3201-Graphics-vs-Aesthetics
With that I agree. That's 100% personal preference though. Saying that the only thing SC2 has over BW in terms of grapics is "colors and shiny things" is still wrong.
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This is not a problem at all. Stick to BW, the game you enjoy the most. And the other 95% will enjoy SC2 as a worthy successor. Win Win.
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On May 26 2011 21:19 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics . True but I still think BW is more pleasing to the eye ^^
Blue soup.
BW is also more pleasing to the ear with marines dying in BW sounding so gratifying, zealot attack/grunt, unit sounds in general (SC2 zerg sounds like your grandma is telling you your hatchery is under attack), as well as music (BW>SC2, especially w/ BW terran)
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On May 26 2011 21:25 blackone wrote:
I don't see the problem. If you like BW more in every aspect, why does SC2 bother you at all?
a little frustrating to see great foreign players of the best rts game go to a worse rts game. sure, more attention and money is being put into sc2 than bw in the foreign scene but lots of ppl would rather that attention and money be put into a better game.
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On May 26 2011 23:03 Ryhn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:14 Megaliskuu wrote:On May 26 2011 21:11 jello_biafra wrote:On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Yeah I pretty much agree with this, there's a slight element of nostalgia perhaps since I first played the game when I was 12 but at the same time I genuinely feel that BW is superior to SC2 in pretty much every aspect. Sc2 has better graphics . BW has better aesthetics though, and when gamers talk about good, or beautiful "Graphics" they usually mean aesthetics. High resolution textures and poly count a beautiful game does not make. Reference material: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3201-Graphics-vs-Aesthetics
Wow, there's a Chopin Piano concerto in the link (just a few notes)
Everyone was excited about the sc2 graphics in the beginning of beta stage. I was quite surprised though, because the aesthetics was so childish and confusing and shapes so round. I have already got used to it. Just wanted to write how my first impression was.
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Honestly I'm pretty sure I'm being overly expectant of starcraft 2, broodwar was already out when I discovered it in the battle chest double box as well, I think I would have been about...12 or 13 So about the age when anything you like gets ingrained into your brain as law But yeah I've not turned my back on starcraft 2 I'm in it for the long run though I need to find more people I know that play - or will watch tournaments together over skype (Trying out day9's advice)
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On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game.
Wouldnt brood war with sc2 graphics be kickass?
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Are you Manus from Subspace/Continuum who played 17th?
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On May 27 2011 05:21 Ushio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 21:06 vOdToasT wrote:
i think BW is better than SC2 but nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I just think it's a better game. Wouldnt brood war with sc2 graphics be kickass?
Which is why sc2bw is a kickass custom map :D
Seriously though, sc2bw is what i wish both SC2 and BW was - BW with sc2 graphics and interface
If i could, i would 100% rather be playing that than sc2 but oh well
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On May 27 2011 07:22 lac29 wrote:
Are you Manus from Subspace/Continuum who played 17th?
Nope, don't even know what those are
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