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SC2 Power Ranks 5/18/11 - Page 2

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 16:16 GMT
#21
On May 20 2011 01:10 MrCon wrote:
Nice.
It's Strelok and not Strelock (that's why the name is not TLPDized)


Fixed, Thanks, Im a dumbass
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
May 19 2011 16:22 GMT
#22
Most of the time people write crappy power ranks, but this one was done really nicely. I actually read it all and agree with it very closely.

The korean one is basically perfect. I'm glad you didn't put MMA, because a lot of people overrate him. I might have put nada up there, but he is very inconsistent.

The foreign one is also really good. Naniwa is a beast and I think he would have won TSL if he hadn't lost his composure. I might switch idra and kiwikaki personally.

Finally, I might put white-ra somewhere on that list, but it seems like he plays much better when the stakes are high.


Too bad for huk and jinro. They deserve to be somewhere on this. Huk went through the open bracket and made it championship bracket at mlg. His performance at GSL since getting Code A has been a little disappointing, but I have high hopes for him to get to at least ro8 next season and I think the patch will help his pvp significantly as his pvt is outstanding and his pvz is great.
Jinro has been slumping, but that's what happens when you play koreans. There was an interview where they said that they feel jinro plays a lot of "old builds" and doesn't keep up with the ever changing scene as much as other players.

Huk I would put around #16 on korea list and Jinro around #30.
If they were on the foreigner list, Huk would be in the top 8 for sure and jinro top 15
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 16:47:30
May 19 2011 16:46 GMT
#23
On May 20 2011 01:22 darmousseh wrote:
Most of the time people write crappy power ranks, but this one was done really nicely. I actually read it all and agree with it very closely.

The korean one is basically perfect. I'm glad you didn't put MMA, because a lot of people overrate him. I might have put nada up there, but he is very inconsistent.

The foreign one is also really good. Naniwa is a beast and I think he would have won TSL if he hadn't lost his composure. I might switch idra and kiwikaki personally.

Finally, I might put white-ra somewhere on that list, but it seems like he plays much better when the stakes are high.


Too bad for huk and jinro. They deserve to be somewhere on this. Huk went through the open bracket and made it championship bracket at mlg. His performance at GSL since getting Code A has been a little disappointing, but I have high hopes for him to get to at least ro8 next season and I think the patch will help his pvp significantly as his pvt is outstanding and his pvz is great.
Jinro has been slumping, but that's what happens when you play koreans. There was an interview where they said that they feel jinro plays a lot of "old builds" and doesn't keep up with the ever changing scene as much as other players.

Huk I would put around #16 on korea list and Jinro around #30.
If they were on the foreigner list, Huk would be in the top 8 for sure and jinro top 15


Nada has been top8 every season he has been in! I think that's the definition of consistancy.
I agree about Huk and Jinro. HuK is considered a Korean in this OP and I don't think his achievements at MLG really push him into top10. He is a great player though, and hopefully he can post some nice wins in the super tournament.

Jinro, unfortunately hasn't done anything this month to really make a run at top10 Korea. I'm sure he has been training hard and will make a splash in super tournament, though.
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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
May 19 2011 17:02 GMT
#24
I'm not sure if I would necessarily change the rankings due to this, but the Nestea series over sC didn't really make me want to give him bonjwa status. I'm a huge nestea fan and I think he's the best zerg, but I think when a player starts dominating he will make stuff like that look easy, game 5 didn't only not look easy, he really should have lost that game (which makes his comeback that much more awesome).

MC used to be like this, but people are showing that a lot of his builds really weren't that safe. I think MvP, despite some upsets, has been the closest to showing that status so far in SC2. When he wins you really think the other guy was behind from start to finish, especially his TvT.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#25
On May 20 2011 02:02 MoreFaSho wrote:
I'm not sure if I would necessarily change the rankings due to this, but the Nestea series over sC didn't really make me want to give him bonjwa status. I'm a huge nestea fan and I think he's the best zerg, but I think when a player starts dominating he will make stuff like that look easy, game 5 didn't only not look easy, he really should have lost that game (which makes his comeback that much more awesome).

MC used to be like this, but people are showing that a lot of his builds really weren't that safe. I think MvP, despite some upsets, has been the closest to showing that status so far in SC2. When he wins you really think the other guy was behind from start to finish, especially his TvT.


I do intend to be rude but there is noone even close to Bonjwa status in SC2... I hate when people call MC and Nestea this because it takes away from the real Bonjwa's of BW like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, OOv, boxer etc etc... I just think that Nestea is the best player in SC2 right now
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#26
Alicia is going to show you how this game is played real soon. I'm still waitin for him to bust out o_0
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psychopat
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada417 Posts
May 19 2011 17:47 GMT
#27
I'd probably have included Nerchio.

Heck, the guy's won a ton of tournaments since the start of April. I know they're not HUGE tournaments with as much prestige as others, but there's just so many of them. The finals have been people like Cloud, Tarson, Satiini, TT1, Demuslim, Beastyqt, Socke, Diestar, etc, so it's not like there was no competition either.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 17:54:28
May 19 2011 17:52 GMT
#28
On May 20 2011 02:47 psychopat wrote:
I'd probably have included Nerchio.

Heck, the guy's won a ton of tournaments since the start of April. I know they're not HUGE tournaments with as much prestige as others, but there's just so many of them. The finals have been people like Cloud, Tarson, Satiini, TT1, Demuslim, Beastyqt, Socke, Diestar, etc, so it's not like there was no competition either.


If Nerchio is in anyone's top 10 you would not hear a peep of argument from me. Nerchio is a fantastic player and is solidly in the top 15 outside Korea. For him to crack my top 10 he needs a couple more signature wins. He beat morrow recently which is huge, but I would like to see a couple more victories over headlining players.

Also, and I know this is my own personal flaw, I have only seen the guy play like twice. It was hard for me to judge his talent and rank him highly because of his lack of big exposure.

Thanks for your feedback
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oo inflame oo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 19 2011 18:51 GMT
#29
aww you're no fun. Gotta rank all the players together man or there's no controversy.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 18:58 GMT
#30
On May 20 2011 03:51 oo inflame oo wrote:
aww you're no fun. Gotta rank all the players together man or there's no controversy.


ah I see you caught my subtle avoidance of that issue. +1 to you sir
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
May 19 2011 19:20 GMT
#31
Wow, my mind is blown that finally someone has made a PR for SC2 that is completely reasonable (if we follow the old PR format though, Thorzain probably should have been 3rd or so, since we are just going by the previous 31 days, inw hich he has been a beast). Other than that I really don't complain. almost every fan made PR has been utter crap so far so this was pretty refreshing.
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Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
May 19 2011 19:50 GMT
#32
Great post, really enjoyed this and the thought put in to the reasoning behind the rankings. You clearly did your homework (ha!).
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 19:55 GMT
#33
On May 20 2011 04:20 Zlasher wrote:
Wow, my mind is blown that finally someone has made a PR for SC2 that is completely reasonable (if we follow the old PR format though, Thorzain probably should have been 3rd or so, since we are just going by the previous 31 days, inw hich he has been a beast). Other than that I really don't complain. almost every fan made PR has been utter crap so far so this was pretty refreshing.


Thank you so much. Yeah I kinda tried to follow the format where Flamewheel has Hydra ranked around 6 even after he won the MSL because he wasn't proven enough to go into the top 4. Thorzain clearly is an absolute monster but I cant put him above people that are showing similar results everywhere not just in TSL.

On May 20 2011 04:50 Kohbee wrote:
Great post, really enjoyed this and the thought put in to the reasoning behind the rankings. You clearly did your homework (ha!).


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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 20:56:07
May 19 2011 20:41 GMT
#34
awesome feature, i havnt been keeping up with both the foreign and korean scene so i cant really give an educated opinion on most of ur selections but once i do i promise that ill chip in more : D

however i have been keeping up with the big names, personally i would have bumped the top 5 koreans up by 1 spot and put mc down at #5 and my top top 3 foreigners would have been 1.thorzain(after his tsl performance) 2.naniwa 3.select(after his performance vs kiwi in the bo7 showmatch they played) 4/5/6 toss up between kiwi idra sen(woulda been determined by tournament results, i have sen up high because of his perfomances in team matchs and his win over idra in nasl) and i would have had nerchio somewhere in the top 10 after his recent performances(i woulda bumped either dimaga/strelok out depending on who had a better month tournament-wse)

pretty sure that we can agree that dgr/mma deserve a spot in next months rankings : )
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Pelopidas
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
May 19 2011 20:50 GMT
#35
Idra should be above Kiwikaki. The fact that Idra just won the IPL and Kiwi leads the SC2 foreigner kong line makes it a clear choice IMO.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 19 2011 23:49 GMT
#36
On May 20 2011 05:41 TT1 wrote:
awesome feature, i havnt been keeping up with both the foreign and korean scene so i cant really give an educated opinion on most of ur selections but once i do i promise that ill chip in more : D

however i have been keeping up with the big names, personally i would have bumped the top 5 koreans up by 1 spot and put mc down at #5 and my top top 3 foreigners would have been 1.thorzain(after his tsl performance) 2.naniwa 3.select(after his performance vs kiwi in the bo7 showmatch they played) 4/5/6 toss up between kiwi idra sen(woulda been determined by tournament results, i have sen up high because of his perfomances in team matchs and his win over idra in nasl) and i would have had nerchio somewhere in the top 10 after his recent performances(i woulda bumped either dimaga/strelok out depending on who had a better month tournament-wse)

pretty sure that we can agree that dgr/mma deserve a spot in next months rankings : )


if DGR had won against MMA (played right before I posted but way after I wrote this) I would have ran around my work office butt naked screaming "THE DONG IS REBORN" put him at all 10 spots because of how awesome he is playing. I think he's my new favorite korean. MMA is an animal and will probably bump Inca or someone unexpected after this upcoming super tournament. So yes we absolutely agree on that

Also, dont forget MC is winning everything he touches outside of Korea (DH Inv and he will probably win Stars War) and he carried OGS to their first team win in the GSTL. He's still a monster and is only losing to all-ins because people prepare so well for him.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
May 20 2011 02:23 GMT
#37
Definitely in need of MMA.
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
June 08 2011 15:04 GMT
#38
ret top 10
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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
June 13 2011 19:47 GMT
#39
nice read, i think I actually agree on all parts =o
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 00:48:18
March 30 2012 00:47 GMT
#40
edit
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