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An introduction to American Football : The defense - Page 2

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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:54:26
April 09 2011 13:52 GMT
#21
On April 09 2011 21:26 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 21:23 Lonyo wrote:
Everyone rated it 1 star because it's not about football, so they downrated for having a misleading title.


it is about football, not third-world-ball.


Surely you meant to say the American egg-ball.
Rillanon.au
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
April 09 2011 14:14 GMT
#22
can't even have a thread about football without soccer kids bitching about the name

oh well, I liked your post anyway, OP.
I drop suckas like Plinko
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 16:37:53
April 09 2011 16:32 GMT
#23
Could you do some writeups on alternate formations like nickel, dime, 5-2, etc?

I hope you are not discouraged by those who can't get past the name of something and prevent themselves from learning about a deep game. Particularly coming from a gaming site.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 09 2011 18:09 GMT
#24
On April 10 2011 01:32 Bear4188 wrote:
Could you do some writeups on alternate formations like nickel, dime, 5-2, etc?

I hope you are not discouraged by those who can't get past the name of something and prevent themselves from learning about a deep game. Particularly coming from a gaming site.

Honestly, I am a bit discouraged by the fact that people just throws a 1 out of 5 stars because either they are not interested or it's the internet. It annoys me a bit. I'll see if I can find the joy to write it sometime.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 09 2011 18:25 GMT
#25
On April 09 2011 22:39 EscPlan9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 21:26 annul wrote:
On April 09 2011 21:23 Lonyo wrote:
Everyone rated it 1 star because it's not about football, so they downrated for having a misleading title.


it is about football, not third-world-ball.


That has to be the most offensive way to differentiate the two that I've ever heard. When you hear "football", doesn't the American version of "soccer" seem more appropriate to be named "football"? Think of how much time is spent in American football not using your foot to touch the ball. You obviously can't say the same about American soccer (which is every other country's idea of "football" for good reason). Summary: American "soccer" should be called football, but it's moot now since it's been a tradition to name the two the way we do now.

I've been following NFL since I was a kid and I understand the basic concepts and strategies fairly well, so I personally did not find much to learn from the OP.

Umm.. go Jets?


I hate when people say this, Why do I call it cricket? There are no small insects involved. Why do I call it Rugby? Theres no carpets involved.

Of course football is a more appropriate name for soccer, but it is what it is.
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 09 2011 18:32 GMT
#26
On April 09 2011 21:23 Lonyo wrote:
Everyone rated it 1 star because it's not about football, so they downrated for having a misleading title.


yea its about AMERICAN football

also random (and late) but tiki to possibly unite with his bro lol
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felizuno
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States164 Posts
April 09 2011 19:22 GMT
#27
For everybody who is so upset that this is about "American Football":

HOW TO PLAY DEFENSE IN SOCCER:
1) Wait until the ball comes to your side of the field and then clear it towards the useful players
2) If you find yourself in a 50-50 contest for a ball, fall over as fast as possible. Your opponent is about to flop too, and if you don't beat him to it you are going to give up a PK
3) Something about forcing the ball to the corners/ being ball side during crosses/ always signaling "goal kick" no matter who touched the ball last
Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
April 09 2011 22:18 GMT
#28
Wow, I didn't realize American football was so similar to Bloodbowl. Thanks for the explanation, very interesting.

Major lol re the descent into what "football" should really refer to. Gogo TL hehe!
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 10 2011 00:56 GMT
#29
I def enjoyed the read and although I follow football I never learned the zones. I remember playing some touch football with friends and them asking me to run certain routes which I had no clue about ... hook, curl, etc.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 10 2011 05:03 GMT
#30
good stuff. what i'd really want to know is what drives playcalling, but i guess that's much deeper than this topic calls for.

i wish i played football in highschool. too bad i was a geek/nerd at the time. when i started getting into weight training a few years ago i realized i had nothing athletic to use it for =(
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
April 10 2011 09:24 GMT
#31
Great post OP. Looking forward to more indepth analysis since I love the game of football. Was lucky enough to play it for 6 years and its staggering how much strategy is involved on both sides of the ball, no to mention ST.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
April 10 2011 10:41 GMT
#32
Nice blog! I just wanted to ask, if the runningback is running at full speed then takes a step back to throw the defence's tackle timing off, then again charges forward at full speed, what is the best way to defend against this?

(Disclaimers: this move is from a certain manga)
http://billyfoong.blogspot.com/ my other opinions are here
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 10 2011 14:15 GMT
#33
On April 10 2011 19:41 targ wrote:
Nice blog! I just wanted to ask, if the runningback is running at full speed then takes a step back to throw the defence's tackle timing off, then again charges forward at full speed, what is the best way to defend against this?

(Disclaimers: this move is from a certain manga)

It's all about angle and how you approach him. Also in the open field it can be pretty damn hard, almost impossible, to actually get a tackle in on a runningback.

There's no "real way" to defend against it. It's all about getting the right angle and timing. :-)
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 10 2011 14:39 GMT
#34
On April 10 2011 19:41 targ wrote:
Nice blog! I just wanted to ask, if the runningback is running at full speed then takes a step back to throw the defence's tackle timing off, then again charges forward at full speed, what is the best way to defend against this?

(Disclaimers: this move is from a certain manga)


If you think about it ... if a running back is running at full speed and then takes a step back ... he's fully decelerating from a full speed forward motion. That wastes a LOT of time because then he has to get back to forward full speed. The delay imo, is usually disadvantageous for the running back and simply gives more time to the other defenders to come and help their teammate. The move just stalls the running back at the position.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
April 10 2011 14:52 GMT
#35
On April 10 2011 23:39 lac29 wrote:
If you think about it ... if a running back is running at full speed and then takes a step back ... he's fully decelerating from a full speed forward motion. That wastes a LOT of time because then he has to get back to forward full speed. The delay imo, is usually disadvantageous for the running back and simply gives more time to the other defenders to come and help their teammate. The move just stalls the running back at the position.

No, not really. It's a move that's either being used in the open field to be able to get past a solo defender, or it's used to be a little hesitant at the line to actually being able to see what hole is opening for him.

Besides that a runningback is specifically trained in accelerating and being able to go from a static stance to fullspeed in 1-2 steps.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
April 11 2011 08:42 GMT
#36
On April 10 2011 23:15 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 19:41 targ wrote:
Nice blog! I just wanted to ask, if the runningback is running at full speed then takes a step back to throw the defence's tackle timing off, then again charges forward at full speed, what is the best way to defend against this?

(Disclaimers: this move is from a certain manga)

It's all about angle and how you approach him. Also in the open field it can be pretty damn hard, almost impossible, to actually get a tackle in on a runningback.

There's no "real way" to defend against it. It's all about getting the right angle and timing. :-)


Thanks for the answer. What you are saying would also seem to imply that if the runningback and defender are roughly evenly matched in speed and skill, the runningback would have a big advantage in a one-on-one if no other defender is nearby to help catch him. Is my understanding correct on this point?
http://billyfoong.blogspot.com/ my other opinions are here
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
April 11 2011 09:23 GMT
#37
Hey thanks man!
I started following football last season, mostly because my friends got me into fantasy (but that doesn't help me focus on defense much ). Your post is super informative and will help quite a bit in the future ^.^
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32097 Posts
April 11 2011 13:49 GMT
#38
nice little intro. the only thing that i'd add is that while DEs are typically more athletic, this changes in the 3-4. T

Teams who run that formation will sometimes stick players who would be DTs in a 4-3 on the ends there for the purpose of plugging/opening holes on the line and not so much getting to the QB. A 3-4 DE will be like 300lbs~ whereas a 4-3 DE will be anywhere from 240-280 on average. in the middle of a 3-4 is a monster nose tackle who will often weigh in between 300-350 or something grotesque

The main difference between the two is that in a 4-3, you can count on those four down linemen almost always coming in at the QB hard. In a 3-4, the fourth guy coming in (if he comes at all) is disguised.

4-3 teams usually have sick DEs (Colts) whereas 3-4 usually have insane LB cores (niners). But to have success 3-4, you absolutely need a dominant NT. See the Ravens when they switched over to a 3-4 and got beat up until Haloti Ngata started killing people in the middle and opening lanes for Lewis again. I'm not 100% if they run a 3-4 all the time now though.
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
April 11 2011 15:23 GMT
#39
On April 11 2011 22:49 Hawk wrote:
Teams who run that formation will sometimes stick players who would be DTs in a 4-3 on the ends there for the purpose of plugging/opening holes on the line and not so much getting to the QB. A 3-4 DE will be like 300lbs~ whereas a 4-3 DE will be anywhere from 240-280 on average. in the middle of a 3-4 is a monster nose tackle who will often weigh in between 300-350 or something grotesque


The 3-4 is really flexible in how it can bring pressure. The DT is not always a huge blob in the middle. For example, the Dallas Cowboys have Jay Ratliff in the middle who actually weighs less than the DEs. For the Cowboys, their standard pressure is created from the DT (Ratliff) knifing up the middle and the OLBs (Ware/Spenser) rushing from the outside. The big DEs are used to plug holes holes on the line and letting the ILBs read the plays. I personally cannot wait to see what Rob Ryan will do with this defense.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32097 Posts
April 11 2011 15:40 GMT
#40
Ratliff is 300++, which is similar to his DEs. Still smaller for a NT but yeah, def not a huge blob. My point is that the role is usually different for 3-4 and 4-3 DT. The former is generally lane plugging first to free the LBs and rushing 2nd. Vice versa for 4-3

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