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Why I'm Entering My SC Flame Shelter

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Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
February 26 2011 09:32 GMT
#1
It's a pretty ridiculous time in SC2 right now. Code A casting/kellymilkies, NASL, iNcontroL "scandals," leaked Patch 1.3 notes, Patch 1.3 PTR, new GSL maps, new Blizzard maps and so on and so on.

Of course, what would a time of momentous change be without the ever-present flaming? It just so happens that now is a time when the TL forums have seemingly turned into fire and brimstone. Good luck finding a thread on the front page of a forum that isn't about some change or scandal. Actually, the harder task would just be to find a thread that doesn't have someone raging about one of the things I mentioned above . . . even if the thread isn't really about that.

As a guy who can sometimes let his passions and stubbornness run away from him, I haven't been just an innocent bystander. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those frequent flamers. All I've done is dropped some of the more polite criticisms on issues like Code A casting and a concerned remark about some NASL and iNcontroL stuff.

I'm still a fan of all of these things. iNcontroL, for example. Yeah, the GSL restream and stuff wasn't exactly amazing, but everyone makes mistakes. And iNc can have that same passionate and stubborn thing that I have going on. I can completely understand where he's coming from since I've been there. I don't care about a mistake or two now. I'm still going to watch his stream and the archives on YouTube. I'm still going to love him on SotG.

Some flames every once in awhile are okay. Without conflict we wouldn't get anywhere. But the ridiculous amounts of flaming that is going on right now has me entering my SC Flame Shelter (patent pending; leave a reservation request for a space in the thread in case of a SC Flame Apocalypse!). I can barely go anywhere in the forums without hitting flames, so I've decided to only visit innocuous threads (I'm rather optimistic about the Tech Support forum -- hopefully this is one oasis that isn't a mirage) and to ignore any flames I see while abstaining from any further debate on these hot topics. I have a feeling my forum experience will drastically improve.

Yeah, I might comment on some brilliantly written strategy post about, say, energy recovery in relation to the possibly lost Khaydarian Amulet upgrade, but that's about it. Math, not flames, people.

And so I ask you, fellow TLer: doesn't a flame shelter sound pretty good right about now?

"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
February 26 2011 09:57 GMT
#2
I'm with you brother. Room for 1 more in that shelter?

Just don't bring up the Khaydarian amulet change and we'll be flame-free lol
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
February 26 2011 10:10 GMT
#3
I hope your flame shelter is huge because it's going to get crowded. I have to completely avoid any race or map balance thread because they're just 100 pages of people with worker icons who are absolutely sure that everybody else is dead wrong. Watch a couple Day9 dailies and you too can receive your PhD in game design by mail! Nobody has any sense of perspective.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
February 26 2011 10:12 GMT
#4
Flames are standard when blizz ruins the game - it's the only way we can prevent changes that WILL ruin the game.
TG Sambo... Intel classic! Life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
February 26 2011 10:19 GMT
#5
please allow me to infiltrate your hideout with my concealed sack of khaydarin amulet grenades

else, ye, the recent flaming is pretty hardcore, but to be honest there's been a huge flux of major developments on the scene this month, and that's always going to stir emotions up and get mods smashing the ban button fervently
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
limonovich
Profile Joined September 2010
England226 Posts
February 26 2011 10:58 GMT
#6
sorry for speaking my mind when blizzard break the game with bad maps and moronic "balance" changes (as we're supposed to believe they are).
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Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
February 26 2011 19:08 GMT
#7
@Qzy -- That was part of my point: conflict can be good. It's just gotten ridiculously out of hand.

@Qzy and limonovich -- Please don't bring that type of stuff in here. You're talking about them "ruining" or "breaking" the game when, get this, the changes aren't permanent and the PTR only just opened. Rather hasty, don't you think? I'm not telling people to hold back their opinions, I'm just saying that it should be done in a calmer and more rational matter.
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
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