OFWGKTA

On May 05 2011 21:29 zulu_nation8 wrote:
please tell me what's impressive about lil B

On May 06 2011 08:01 zyzski wrote:
bump for goblin

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On May 06 2011 11:47 Sky wrote:
Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free.
Here!

On May 06 2011 14:05 BasilPesto wrote:
Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder.

On May 06 2011 15:13 apalemorning wrote:

true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live.

On May 06 2011 15:28 jon arbuckle wrote:


Hating things because other people like them and because those other people are somehow construed as "hipsters" is the worst impulse in music listening.

Hipsters are a function of your imagination - like the Easter Bunny and Presbyterians.

But there are people who listened to OFWGKTA before Pitchfork attempted to "claim" them (starting lists @ 2010 end but increasing exponentially after the Fallon performance) and there are people who listened to them after the hype machine gained momentum.

The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.

But Goblin should cut some of the stragglers out, I think. A harsh, uncompromising record.

On May 06 2011 15:28 jon arbuckle wrote:
The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.

On May 12 2011 01:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think disliking something because it's hipster is completely understandable and justified. Indie has become disgustingly hype driven, unmeritocratic and embodies the worst stereotypes of fashion.

On May 12 2011 02:24 apalemorning wrote:


lol this dudes post is literally like the pitchfork review about goblin LOL

On May 12 2011 02:24 PUPATREE wrote:


Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All Don't Give A Fuck about what anyone else thinks or wants. OF isn't getting ruined anytime soon.

On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
In music hipster refers to a specific culture of fashionable individuals who are in tune more or less with the same circle of media ranging from blogs to pitchfork to nylon, etc.

On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I prefer to use indie when talking about music though.

On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Odd future is lumped together with that group of bands because they have become an indie commodity through exactly the process you describe. I don't see how the fact none of those bands resemble each other very much proves anything. The point is exactly it's not about the music.

On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
While many do disregard indie in the same way hipsters have ruined it,

On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Often I'm more worried about those who are part of this culture but are oblivious to where their "taste" comes from.

I have Bastard but haven't listened to it that much. I do appreciate French! and Yonkers.

On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't know how much HRO as it is now can really satirize anything but their stuff on pitchfork is still mostly hilarious.

On May 12 2011 04:43 jon arbuckle wrote:


Used by outsiders from that scene, I guess, although with all the tumblrs and blogs that exist, the distinction between "them hipsters" and "us" is blurry.

The Internet farm league that raises bands isn't much different from the major label farm league that hires and raises pop stars except the latter is explicitly about financial gain while the former has little hope of financial self-sustenance built into it.

That said, this implicates nearly all types of music, but more importantly mistakes the quality of music (as a transitive, subjective category, of course) for the perceived origin of that music - its distribution channels, the discourse that brought it to somebody's attention. It also implicates all listeners, or can, depending on who's using it.

I do not actually listen to Animal Collective. I listen to the hipsters I imagine listen to Animal Collective and I listen to the scores that Pitchfork gave Animal Collective. I then promote x-band over Animal Collective in an iconoclastic gesture that demonstrates my being superior to the standard calculus of taste. But am I actually listening?

On May 12 2011 04:43 jon arbuckle wrote:


What's not about the music?

The word "hipster" is larger than music, yes.

The judgment call embedded in the word, that some people like something not because they in fact like it but because of the cultural capital inherent in the embrace of that particular cultural commodity, is really snotty and is often bandied about baseless. It's not that I don't think the superficial embrace of cultural capital doesn't exist; I'd prefer meaningful dialogue on the subject as opposed to virulently labeling things "hipster" when the criteria for things "hipster" are vague and easily applied to just about anything.

Especially because the "hipster" appendage is most often used by people who aren't active in these scenes; people who sneer and say "hipster" tend to be the least qualified to make that judgment.

On May 12 2011 04:43 jon arbuckle wrote:


Wait, how old are you?

On May 12 2011 04:43 jon arbuckle wrote:


I appreciated this juxtaposition.