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Well, I'm just blogging to talk about something me and one of my friends have going on. I'm a heavy SC1 supporter, him SC2, so we (I) decided to have a Bo5 (3 SC2 games, 2 SC1).
I'm a BW Z/P, iccup D level
He's a SC2 Z, Low diamond.
I've never played a single SC2 game. He's never played a single BW game.
Here it is:
Game 1: SC2, Xel'Naga Caverns
Game 2: BW, Match Point
Game 3: SC2, Metalopolis
Game 4: BW, Fighting Spirit
Game 5: SC2, Lost Temple
I'm hoping my SC1 macro skills (doubtful) will carry over to SC2, while he's resigned to losing the BW games but running me over in the higher number of SC2 games. Any tips for SC2 PvZ (for someone playing his first SC2 game) - anything i should know?
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I don't think your BW macro skills will allow you to overcome your unfamiliarity with the game if you haven't played ANY games of SC2 before then. For example, when I switched I got constantly supply blocked due to the fact that the hotkey for pylon was switched to 'e' (even though there's no goddamn 'e' in pylon).
Anyway, despite how much I despise the build, your best bet is to probably learn a good 4gate build :/
Similarly, you shouldn't take the BW games for granted and expect cheese from him (4pool both games...)
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play a few games before the grudge match because learning the timing for chronoboost for the first time can be quite difficult. sentry+ forcefield= your friend-- learn how to utilize it.
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Yeah, maybe watch a few videos on how to 4 gate (lol) will work, if not your best bet is to learn 3 gate sentry fe. 
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the dreaded 4gate build .. what ever the hell that is .. they pretty much whine about it and transition?? to colossi?
start watching VoDs now! >.<
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Thanks for the feedback (wow so fast!) guys.
@Sayle - Perfectly prepared for 4pool, actually - expecting him to do it at least once (btw I love your stream - just sayin')
@frog - I don't actually have SC2 is the problem - I'm borrowing someone elses comp to do it
Also, I'm planning to 4gate at least once just in case it works :D
3gate sentry FE - yeah, i'm already looking into that
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Let us know how this ends!
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On February 14 2011 18:48 stormtemplar wrote:
My strat would be to proxy on Xel'naga (Can't go wrong with proxy easilly) Then if you win, just do super safe BW builds. If not, four gate.
Proxy what? early proxy gate rush shenanigans? proxy voidrays? 
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I assume neither of you are allowed to play sc2/bw at all before the game yes?
if so i recommend you just proxy gate him and 4 gate him and cannon rush/proxy vr / proxy dt
If you are unfamiliar with the hotkeys , remember that you can change it on options so it match bw hotkeys.
I guess one of the most impt thing is to wall off properly. Choose the display build grip in the options
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Lol you never played one game of SC2? I mean even if you only played 10 games you might have still been able to cheese a game off him. The BW wins are a given since mechanically BW is wayyyyy harder, but honestly the sc2 losses are a given as well since your friend is diamond leauge. Bronze league maybe, diamond league hell no
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Im sorry but you'll probably lose the grudgematch lol.
Its not really the skill level that will cause you to lose but the understanding since the game do flow abit differently. I think you should just watch out for him doing some 3 roach speedling allin but you probably don't even know the timings since you haven't touched it before. Similarly he will lose to you in scbw.
If he lets you go play the macro game you might be able to win though, just play defensive and build up a deathball( colossus vr stalkers) but watch out for corrupters and broodlords. Also care for muta ling cause you dont have a good counter to mutas(phoenix dont splash and stalkers suck)
Sentries are also paramount if you want to win, split his army with forcefields then take them one chunk at a time
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Hmm - well, when i let him go 3SC2, 2BW, I was expecting to lose.
My understanding is pretty similar to you guys' - if i get past early/mid game, I might have a chance, but lack of BO knowledge and familiarity will probably kill me. Oh well, I sorta don't want to cheese (matter of pride) and I'll have fun.
Will give results and battle reports (if I can be bothered) when I get around to it :D
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On February 14 2011 21:11 elf_01 wrote:
Hmm - well, when i let him go 3SC2, 2BW, I was expecting to lose.
My understanding is pretty similar to you guys' - if i get past early/mid game, I might have a chance, but lack of BO knowledge and familiarity will probably kill me. Oh well, I sorta don't want to cheese (matter of pride) and I'll have fun.
Will give results and battle reports (if I can be bothered) when I get around to it :D
I would be interested in reading those battle reports :D
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You should be able to beat him in at least one SC2 game. Just don't forget hotkey for pylon is E (WTF) and good chronoboost usage ;D. Forcefield will help you win the battles. Don't forget it is easy, just make units and don't let him surprise you.
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Cheese 1 game in sc2 and win, rape him in broodwar
prove its the superior game
YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT
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On February 14 2011 22:02 arb wrote:
Cheese 1 game in sc2 and win, rape him in broodwar
prove its the superior game
YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT
One problem - Cheesing in SC2 doesn't really prove much - I have to beat him in macro game to prove my point (I am tempted, though)
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The Issue with hotkeys can be avoided. You can set to classic hotkeys in sc2 so pylons and probes are P, stalkers(replacement for dragoons which arn't really similar) are D etc.
but I still think you'll probably lose unfortunately, due to your unfamiliarity with the game.
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ok so no cheese eh? pick terran and micro/macro marines ..
micro them like your life depended on it ..
SPAM THOSE FUCKING MARINES!!!!
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Actually, going from BW->SC2 is pretty easy. Go four gate blink stalkers. Did you know that zergbong is a GOD in SC2? Your D microing abilities will dominate him.
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Well, the 2 SCBW games were played already, I won both (EZ). 'Battle' reports:
Game 1: Match Point
I spawned in as zerg, he randomed terran. 9pool speed into no-wall terran into ez win. 3:37.
Game 2: Fighting Spirit
I randomed in as Protoss, he as Zerg. Forge FE from me (scout him last), so Forge cannon cannon nex. He goes some bastardized version of 12pool expo. My first sair gets 3 overlord kills as he doesn't get spire, he's supply blocked. I move in the front with 4 slowlots and 4 goons: GG 8:01.
Well, that was easy 2 BW games, grand total of 11:38 minutes. SC2 games likely to be played tmr.
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I wonder more about the SC2 games, win at least one for the BW !
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woo somehow im excited about this .. :D :D :D
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You have to win the SC2 games. Do it for BW!!!
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DO IT FOR BROODWAAAAAR
are you looking up build orders? are you allowed to read off a postit?
just find a good one for 4 warpgate through liquipedia and beat his ass (and expand under it if it doesnt beat his ass and show him your bw macro skillz)
low diamond aint nothin compared to a TRUE D
D iCCupers reppin
importnat hotkeys:
c (while nex is selected) = chrono boost
w (anytime) selects all your warpgates
s = stalker
e = probe on nex, sentry on gates
z = still zellots babyyyyyyyy
probe vc is still citadel equivalent, twilight council, gets you blink and charge
probe vt is still high temps but doesnt come with dark templar anymore
probe vd is dark shrine builds as slow as nex but thats not as bad as you think considering you get to warp in dts instnatly after its done with warpgate
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Thanks for all the support guys - i HAVE to win this now
@Spiritofthetuna - i'm going pretty flexible - either 3gate sentry expo into big 2base push (sounds like how i play sc1 :D)
4gate is always fun
forge fe seems like it's a little weak now, tho D: (bye my fav sc1 strat)
proxygates sounds oh so tempting
and no, no post-its - i have my friends watching in person, can't afford to do that
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On February 15 2011 21:35 elf_01 wrote:Thanks for all the support guys - i HAVE to win this now @Spiritofthetuna - i'm going pretty flexible - either 3gate sentry expo into big 2base push (sounds like how i play sc1 :D) 4gate is always fun forge fe seems like it's a little weak now, tho D: (bye my fav sc1 strat) proxygates sounds oh so tempting and no, no post-its - i have my friends watching in person, can't afford to do that
oh the 3gate sentry expo is pretty much the most solid thing you can do~ if you go like 6 straight sentries you can even do a little poke if you think he's being greedy (though forcefield micro might be hard for a firsttimer)
just remember to always be watching your army, keep your sentries on top of your ramp, and if he comes up your ramp, block it off like an asshole best done if like 2 of his units are through and the rest arent for 2 free units)
dont leave your sentries right on top of the ramp though, or else they can get sniped by roaches on the bottom (if he gets one up for vision)
always feel free to (or even inclined to) back off with attacks (especially early pokes), its just like in bw where forcing some units is good enough
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HOWD THIS TURN OUT MOTHERFUCKER ARE OYU AFRAID TO SHOW YOUR FACE
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HAHA sorry man - hasn't been played yet - essentially, we can only play at school (cos I don't have SC2) during frees and the guy I'm borrowing off forgot to patch TWO DAYS IN A ROW ==" so we cant play yet - i'll post results on here the second they come out (raped him a few more times in BW for the lulz, but no SC2 yet)
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oh sorry for the aggression I was drunk on a Wednesday night
you should rape him less and convince him of BW's epicness more, now that he knows how friggin hard it is to control the units you should show him savior vs iris on arkanoid or something
seriously (the following paraphrased from the great zulu_nation4), if you compare the skill difference between iCCup D and iCCup B-, then that skill difference to iCCup A, then that difference to korean B-teamers, then that difference to korean A-teamers, all progamers are friggin gods. Your awareness of everything while being really really friggin fast has to be inhuman to play at TV level.
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that's the problem - the guy's actually korean, has watched SCBW progames before - just doesn't want to play BW (keeps complaining about the mechanics )
On an unrelated note, i decided to troll another friend with 10/12 proxy gate (when he was terran) and it turns out he BBS'd me so he took out my nex while flying his base away, i killed all his units, and it was 6zlot+10probe (no minerals)+pylon/2gate vs flying CC and flying rax ( no minerals) was pretty lulzy.
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On February 17 2011 18:37 elf_01 wrote:that's the problem - the guy's actually korean, has watched SCBW progames before - just doesn't want to play BW (keeps complaining about the mechanics )
being korean doesnt instantly translate BW gosuness .. lololololol
DO IT FOR BW!
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