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Crankenstein
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-25 13:15:55
December 25 2010 13:14 GMT
#21
An unintuitive 0 because you are doing no work on the rock. The energy you are exerting is internal keeping your muscle contracted rather than keeping the rock up. This question is a paradox that arises due to using an overly simplistic physical model and confusing the scientific and everyday meanings of words like power/work/weight etc. To answer the question properly you probably have to dive into the realm of squishy science.
lofung
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong298 Posts
December 25 2010 13:25 GMT
#22
for yout question, ZERO. just dun make things so complicated.
How do you counter 13 carriers? Well first of all you gave me brain cancer. -Tasteless
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-25 14:26:39
December 25 2010 14:22 GMT
#23
i didnt read all posts so i dont know if it was answered, but im gonna try anyway.

A force (F1) is being exerted on an object and you want to counter that force with your own force (F2). Naturally those 2 forces would have to be equal because you want your object to be stationary hence:

F = force
F1 = F2

But you want your answer to be in power .. kk
In order to answer this we must see how far the object travelled because

[image loading]

where C is the path the object travelled.

So we see that d is 0 because it was stationary, that is, the power for the complete system is 0 - but that wasnt what you asked about. You wanted to know how much power you had to exert to keep it in balance.

Well in order to answer this we must set F1 = 0 so there is no force. Now that the forces are no longer in equilibrium the object begins to move, and it begins to accelerate. Now we see that d is no longer 0. Actually d is ∞. That is because you have not specified for how long time you want to exert your power.

Should you exert power for a period of time then you can find d and d will be a valid number somewhere between 0 and ∞..
Then you can calculate how much power YOU and not the system exerted.
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
December 25 2010 14:25 GMT
#24
erhm... dx is infinitesimal, not a value.

The path length is zero- so your integral has the same lower bound as upper bound, so it subtracts to zero.
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exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
December 25 2010 14:28 GMT
#25
If the object travelled on a path that is straight then it doesnt matter - and the path is straight because we didnt adjusted on the direction of the force F2.
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
December 25 2010 14:35 GMT
#26
Yup, the answer's zero. Think of some object sitting on a table: gravity is being constantly exerted on the object, but the table is keeping it still with no power expended.
Zilver
Profile Joined December 2008
Finland282 Posts
December 25 2010 15:36 GMT
#27
On December 25 2010 23:35 matjlav wrote:
Yup, the answer's zero. Think of some object sitting on a table: gravity is being constantly exerted on the object, but the table is keeping it still with no power expended.


The energy that bonds and keeps the atoms solidly together is what's keeping the object stationary.
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matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-25 17:11:46
December 25 2010 17:07 GMT
#28
On December 26 2010 00:36 Zilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2010 23:35 matjlav wrote:
Yup, the answer's zero. Think of some object sitting on a table: gravity is being constantly exerted on the object, but the table is keeping it still with no power expended.


The energy that bonds and keeps the atoms solidly together is what's keeping the object stationary.


The energy isn't expended to holding up the object. It just exists, so no power is required. That potential energy isn't holding up the object; the forces of intermolecular attractions and repulsions is what's holding the object up, and force is a distinctly separate concept from energy.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
December 25 2010 21:30 GMT
#29
its 0 assuming all force are balanced
your confusing power work and energy
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