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On November 19 2010 04:31 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 04:29 News wrote:On November 19 2010 04:29 Lefnui wrote:On November 19 2010 04:25 News wrote:
A stand-up comedian is the best possible argument in any debate. Right, because comedians never have relevant, intelligent views. Ever heard of Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert? *insert a video of a fat kid farting in a bathtub* Nope, are they any good? Well they totally contradict what you just implied. Just thought I'd mention them for that reason.
I'm watching "Stephen Colbert Opening Statement" right now on youtube, didn't want to search for Jon Stewart because the name sounded familiar. It's pretty amusing I must say, not Doug Stanhope but better than that lesbian comic (Ellie Degenerates or w/e).
On November 19 2010 04:34 NIIINO wrote:
Dont worry guys We are going to help you ! : )
You know 2012 is near once Slovakia starts helping other nations.
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On November 19 2010 04:15 Ingenol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:On November 19 2010 04:00 Ingenol wrote:
Sounds quite similar to what has happened in the United States and indeed all over the globe: governments subsidize banks to allow/encourage them to make financially unsound loans to people that likely cannot repay them. Here it was under the guise of "every American should be able to own a home."
Governments cannot truly create jobs, they cannot truly create wealth, yet they consistently act as if they can do both. Faulty notions of the purpose of government will sink this world, potentially in our lifetime. Yeah but you guys have real politicians we have alcoholics and cancer patients. Haha, I'm of the opinion that a "real politician" is one of the worst things on Earth!
Sorry, I think you misunderstood. We don't have alcoholics and cancer patients as our politicians, they'd do a somewhat better job. It's our politicians who also have those attributes. And they're don't even try to hide it.
Clinton got in big trouble with Monica? There was barely any argument about Ahern and his secretary =P
With regards to the Carlin video, politicians are pretty much defacto corrupt because the ones that go for it are usually people who don't want normal jobs and want to have power, the ones that rise to the top are the ones that are good at canvasing and lying and talking to get people to vote for them, unfortunately they are not qualities we want to actually run the country. The majority of people who could run the country well wouldn't want to do the job, because they understand the pressure and responsibility and guilt, its the guys who are keeping their seat warm in hell who actually step up to the job. The people aren't given much choice on who to vote for.
Sometimes I wish I'd learned German instead of French, seems like there's a country that actually gets shit done.
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moktira
Ireland1548 Posts
And Irish politicians get voted in very much based on who they know and their family background, look at the amount of politicians who's father or uncle or grandfather or even brother were also high up in that party. It's so small-scale
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On November 19 2010 04:50 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 04:15 Ingenol wrote:On November 19 2010 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:On November 19 2010 04:00 Ingenol wrote:
Sounds quite similar to what has happened in the United States and indeed all over the globe: governments subsidize banks to allow/encourage them to make financially unsound loans to people that likely cannot repay them. Here it was under the guise of "every American should be able to own a home."
Governments cannot truly create jobs, they cannot truly create wealth, yet they consistently act as if they can do both. Faulty notions of the purpose of government will sink this world, potentially in our lifetime. Yeah but you guys have real politicians we have alcoholics and cancer patients. Haha, I'm of the opinion that a "real politician" is one of the worst things on Earth! With regards to the Carlin video, politicians are pretty much defacto corrupt because the ones that go for it are usually people who don't want normal jobs and want to have power
People with normal jobs don't have them because they want normal jobs. If you offered the average person a place of power and responsibility, which usually pays accordingly, they would take it in an instant. And they wouldn't need to be greedy or power lusting either. The average person doesn't try to run simply because the chance that they will win is extremely low.
Do you feel the same way about high level businessmen? After all they showed that same desire for power or money and weren't content with a normal job.
the ones that rise to the top are the ones that are good at canvasing and lying and talking to get people to vote for them, unfortunately they are not qualities we want to actually run the country. The majority of people who could run the country well wouldn't want to do the job, because they understand the pressure and responsibility and guilt, its the guys who are keeping their seat warm in hell who actually step up to the job. The people aren't given much choice on who to vote for.
These supposed people who would run the country don't want the job because they rather not have the responsibility? So they would rather that corrupt people are in control instead of having to shoulder a burden? And why should they feel guilty about it? There's absolutely nothing wrong with being in a place of power. It's what you do with that power which counts.
Most people do not vote for someone because "they're the lesser of two evils". That is a minority position. The majority of people believe in who they're voting for. And if the politician is indeed lying and the voter has been tricked, then that reflects very poorly on them as well.
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On November 19 2010 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah but you guys have real politicians we have alcoholics and cancer patients.
Best post ever
If I were German I'd be pissed. They have to pay to bail out the Greeks (while the Greeks are protesting that the government is going to increase their already lofty retirement age), and now the Irish.
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On November 19 2010 05:43 JodoYodo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:
Yeah but you guys have real politicians we have alcoholics and cancer patients. Best post ever If I were German I'd be pissed. They have to pay to bail out the Greeks (while the Greeks are protesting that the government is going to increase their already lofty retirement age), and now the Irish.
German is a huge exporter though, especially to the Euro zone. Meaning that while the Irish have been enjoying high salaries and low taxes they've been buying German products. The money that Irish people have been loaning have been spent on a lot of German products.
EDIT: Of course, countries having welfare that they can't afford is nothing but bad news for the entire Euro zone.
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On November 19 2010 05:22 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 04:50 Slayer91 wrote:On November 19 2010 04:15 Ingenol wrote:On November 19 2010 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:On November 19 2010 04:00 Ingenol wrote:
Sounds quite similar to what has happened in the United States and indeed all over the globe: governments subsidize banks to allow/encourage them to make financially unsound loans to people that likely cannot repay them. Here it was under the guise of "every American should be able to own a home."
Governments cannot truly create jobs, they cannot truly create wealth, yet they consistently act as if they can do both. Faulty notions of the purpose of government will sink this world, potentially in our lifetime. Yeah but you guys have real politicians we have alcoholics and cancer patients. Haha, I'm of the opinion that a "real politician" is one of the worst things on Earth! With regards to the Carlin video, politicians are pretty much defacto corrupt because the ones that go for it are usually people who don't want normal jobs and want to have power People with normal jobs don't have them because they want normal jobs. If you offered the average person a place of power and responsibility, which usually pays accordingly, they would take it in an instant. And they wouldn't need to be greedy or power lusting either. The average person doesn't try to run simply because the chance that they will win is extremely low. Do you feel the same way about high level businessmen? After all they showed that same desire for power or money and weren't content with a normal job. Show nested quote +the ones that rise to the top are the ones that are good at canvasing and lying and talking to get people to vote for them, unfortunately they are not qualities we want to actually run the country. The majority of people who could run the country well wouldn't want to do the job, because they understand the pressure and responsibility and guilt, its the guys who are keeping their seat warm in hell who actually step up to the job. The people aren't given much choice on who to vote for. These supposed people who would run the country don't want the job because they rather not have the responsibility? So they would rather that corrupt people are in control instead of having to shoulder a burden? And why should they feel guilty about it? There's absolutely nothing wrong with being in a place of power. It's what you do with that power which counts. Most people do not vote for someone because "they're the lesser of two evils". That is a minority position. The majority of people believe in who they're voting for. And if the politician is indeed lying and the voter has been tricked, then that reflects very poorly on them as well.
I dunno, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't accept a government job if they didn't think they were qualfied for it, even with money. High level buisnessmen get there by being skilled at their trade. Politics is getting votes to get power, using that well doesn't share the same skills as getting it.
I don't really know many people who honestly believe in the people they vote for. And you pretty much have to lie, call it exaggeration but you won't be able to meet all the claims you say you will to get elected.
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So the bailout will help Ireland for a few months then they will need another bailout.
Same story with Greece whos budget deficit is still increasing.
This bailout stuff is all bollocks , the Euro experiment has failed , countries need to go back to their own currencies and be able to fix their own interest rates or let their own currency devalue in the open market.
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Well, I don't think we'll need another bailout, the point was the people and the government were spending money that wasn't there so the economy backfires and now nobody loans/spends a lot and the government gets even less money, and they're also in debt.
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Honestly, what's with "feck"? It drives me crazy to no end hearing it, reading it.. :s
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moktira
Ireland1548 Posts
On November 19 2010 08:02 Thrill wrote:
Honestly, what's with "feck"? It drives me crazy to no end hearing it, reading it.. :s
Haha! "Feck" is mostly from 'Father Ted', a channel 4 comedy about Irish priests, they swear by saying "feck" instead of "fuck" so it wouldn't be bleeped but then it kind of took over in Ireland, it's very common, people don't think you're swearing if you say "feck" rather than "fuck."
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On November 19 2010 07:49 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So the bailout will help Ireland for a few months then they will need another bailout.
Same story with Greece whos budget deficit is still increasing.
This bailout stuff is all bollocks , the Euro experiment has failed , countries need to go back to their own currencies and be able to fix their own interest rates or let their own currency devalue in the open market.
It has nothing to do with the euro, it just bad decisions in times of amazing growth (invest? nope! greed? plz!!), and part by the financial crash cased by Stockbrokers the world over.
Its the FECKing Banks there to blame and the ignorannnnt fuckers who make the money, in short not me or you.
edit:
the pints all tasted bitter.....
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On November 19 2010 08:12 moktira wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 08:02 Thrill wrote:
Honestly, what's with "feck"? It drives me crazy to no end hearing it, reading it.. :s Haha! "Feck" is mostly from 'Father Ted', a channel 4 comedy about Irish priests, they swear by saying "feck" instead of "fuck" so it wouldn't be bleeped but then it kind of took over in Ireland, it's very common, people don't think you're swearing if you say "feck" rather than "fuck."
Man when did it become common for an Irish lad to watch his language? These guys be cussing left and right even if they are doing a tour in a retirement house.
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On November 19 2010 06:38 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 05:22 Lefnui wrote:On November 19 2010 04:50 Slayer91 wrote:On November 19 2010 04:15 Ingenol wrote:On November 19 2010 04:02 Slayer91 wrote:On November 19 2010 04:00 Ingenol wrote:
Sounds quite similar to what has happened in the United States and indeed all over the globe: governments subsidize banks to allow/encourage them to make financially unsound loans to people that likely cannot repay them. Here it was under the guise of "every American should be able to own a home."
Governments cannot truly create jobs, they cannot truly create wealth, yet they consistently act as if they can do both. Faulty notions of the purpose of government will sink this world, potentially in our lifetime. Yeah but you guys have real politicians we have alcoholics and cancer patients. Haha, I'm of the opinion that a "real politician" is one of the worst things on Earth! With regards to the Carlin video, politicians are pretty much defacto corrupt because the ones that go for it are usually people who don't want normal jobs and want to have power People with normal jobs don't have them because they want normal jobs. If you offered the average person a place of power and responsibility, which usually pays accordingly, they would take it in an instant. And they wouldn't need to be greedy or power lusting either. The average person doesn't try to run simply because the chance that they will win is extremely low. Do you feel the same way about high level businessmen? After all they showed that same desire for power or money and weren't content with a normal job. the ones that rise to the top are the ones that are good at canvasing and lying and talking to get people to vote for them, unfortunately they are not qualities we want to actually run the country. The majority of people who could run the country well wouldn't want to do the job, because they understand the pressure and responsibility and guilt, its the guys who are keeping their seat warm in hell who actually step up to the job. The people aren't given much choice on who to vote for. These supposed people who would run the country don't want the job because they rather not have the responsibility? So they would rather that corrupt people are in control instead of having to shoulder a burden? And why should they feel guilty about it? There's absolutely nothing wrong with being in a place of power. It's what you do with that power which counts. Most people do not vote for someone because "they're the lesser of two evils". That is a minority position. The majority of people believe in who they're voting for. And if the politician is indeed lying and the voter has been tricked, then that reflects very poorly on them as well. I dunno, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't accept a government job if they didn't think they were qualified for it, even with money. High level businessmen get there by being skilled at their trade. Politics is getting votes to get power, using that well doesn't share the same skills as getting it. I don't really know many people who honestly believe in the people they vote for. And you pretty much have to lie, call it exaggeration but you won't be able to meet all the claims you say you will to get elected.
This is true politicians always, ALWAYS lie about something to get votes.
E.G. in England recently there were Student riots because cameron & co went back on a promise
about student fees. Im sure it was covered by the world media?
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On November 19 2010 08:02 Thrill wrote:
Honestly, what's with "feck"? It drives me crazy to no end hearing it, reading it.. :s
I don't talk how I type.
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On November 19 2010 08:58 Cpt.beefy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:49 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
So the bailout will help Ireland for a few months then they will need another bailout.
Same story with Greece whos budget deficit is still increasing.
This bailout stuff is all bollocks , the Euro experiment has failed , countries need to go back to their own currencies and be able to fix their own interest rates or let their own currency devalue in the open market. It has nothing to do with the euro, it just bad decisions in times of amazing growth (invest? nope! greed? plz!!), and part by the financial crash cased by Stockbrokers the world over. Its the FECKing Banks there to blame and the ignorannnnt fuckers who make the money, in short not me or you. edit: the pints all tasted bitter.....
Well, the Euro is too strong and it has been for quite a long time.
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you've got a 2 speed economy in the euro zone
stronger economies like Germany , France and Switzerland and the basket cases like Portugal , Spain , Greece and Ireland
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On November 19 2010 03:52 Slayer91 wrote:
Bankers give tons of stupid loans nobody will pay, give themselves big bonuses, bank goes kapow, gets bailed out by taxpayers money, gg us, trollface bankers.
That's a good summary. I expected Ireland to face this kind of situation. I spent a few weeks there last year and what stroke me is that everything was discounted, there were many hotels and restaurant closing down etc. I went to a brand new shopping mall in Drogheda, and it was all empty 
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Is that Canada part a joke or am I missing something? I'm just curious.
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On November 19 2010 04:50 Slayer91 wrote:
Sometimes I wish I'd learned German instead of French, seems like there's a country that actually gets shit done.
I feel the same way... :/
It seems like emigration is the best option
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