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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
November 06 2010 19:12 GMT
#41
When you make a topic you SHOULD say what rating you are! It's very important to know if (for example) a topicstarter is a 500 diamond or a 2000 diamond.
Lightswarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada966 Posts
November 06 2010 19:26 GMT
#42
i vote that we ban people who use their ladder points to validate their argument
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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
November 06 2010 19:38 GMT
#43
On November 07 2010 04:26 Lightswarm wrote:
i vote that we ban people who use their ladder points to validate their argument


haha good idea
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-06 20:26:17
November 06 2010 20:24 GMT
#44
OK so I had to go to the phone store and talk warranty with them but I'm back skimming the thread not much new information.

I guess to back off a little bit theres two key things here MOST low level players do not know what they're talking about granted. But blanket statements are bad in this situation so what I"m trying to say is don't exclude everyone look at their statements not the person. Because you can usually tell someone what their league is based on information they give. But on the other hand there are mid to high level diamond players who have zero understanding on the game by finding one build that works well vs each race and not experimenting at all. They have no real game knowledge because they never branch out.

But also on the other hand we have Capoch who does 4 warpgate a LOT but because you can do different things with 4 warpgates don't call him one of those players. He's tried other things I"ve seen him do other strategies but he always goes back to the 4 warpgate it fits his style. So the problem is when someone tells you their rating it doesn't give you any information is my point. Knowing your league and point number doesnt tell me anything about how well you understand the game...

I think one of the biggest problems is people put WAY too much stock in their ladder rating to the point where they go out of their way to try and inflate their point pool. They get mad when they're matched up vs people with higher points etc etc so then they get into this well I have more points than you you're not allowed to argue with me on strategy.

So the problem here is two different factors and people only ever talk about one side of the equation.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19050 Posts
November 06 2010 21:17 GMT
#45
You're completely wrong! Ladder rank means everything! Trust me, I'm a 900 point Platinum player.


But seriously, I tend it immediately ignore the entire post once I read "I'm a Z point Y player". It usually means the person actually doesn't know what the hell they are talking about, and are attempting to justify their post to themself (that's not a word, but I'm a 900 point Plat so I don't care).
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Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
November 06 2010 21:34 GMT
#46
That seriously boggles my mind tofucake. You actually LOSE respect and IGNORE someone for stating their general rank (so people can get a grasp of what sort of advice they might need)? Or provide a general idea of what level of play their advice/strategy is viable at?

And you guys are calling the people who post their points elitists.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
November 06 2010 21:47 GMT
#47
Yeah that is going too far in the other direction it annoys me but I still think people should judge by their posts not by their rank even if they are posting their rank in the thread lol.
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
November 06 2010 22:24 GMT
#48
I agree for the most part, however I think theres an exception: If youre trying to prove a point by referencing your experience in an actual game then its important to set the context. What someone experiences in a bronze level game isnt close to what theyd experience in a 1500+ diamond game.

I think a situation like that warrants a description of your ladder ranking because it lends credence to your in game examples.

If you are only theorycrafting and not drawing on your experiences of specific in game situations then listing your league and points is definitely useless.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-06 22:37:06
November 06 2010 22:35 GMT
#49
On November 07 2010 06:47 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Yeah that is going too far in the other direction it annoys me but I still think people should judge by their posts not by their rank even if they are posting their rank in the thread lol.


+epeen for me either way
I think they should stack!
Oh I thought you meant post count. Post means nothing because a lot of it is people giving you solutions you haven't tried, and if its executed at a low level of play its not worthwhile because he's not facing a proper response.
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
November 06 2010 22:44 GMT
#50
950 Diamond Zerg here, sitting on 800 bonus points. Why do I bring up bonus points, you ask? Because they are exactly the reason why ~1800 ranking doesn't matter.

At this point, players who have been in Diamond since day 1 have over 1000 bonus points (used or unused).

Unless you're extremely extremely good, Battle.net matches you up against players that give everybody approximately a 1:1 Win/Loss ratio. Often times that will result in a 1.5:1 for the first 100 games and then slowly average out.

Given that players will be recieving 22 points per win and losing 10 points per loss (on average), it's safe to assume that the majority of players with 1500-1800 are simply people who have the patience to play a lot of games and spend their bonus points, a task which has no definition of skill attached to it.

You may be very good or very knowledgeable, but being 1500-1800 isn't grounds for claiming expertise. It means nothing other than that you have little-to-no bonus points left. Because of the ever-inflating amount of bonus points, soon 2000 won't mean anything, either.

Results and facts are all that matter. Do well in a tournament or use critical thinking to back your arguments. "I'm 1800+" does not make you credible. I'm a 950 zerg and beat 1600+ people all the time, I just don't have the patience to grind through ladder.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 06 2010 23:52 GMT
#51
Yep, the other day I had someone tell me that in a craft cup game, roxkis pomi made the correct play to 6 gate off one base against a terrible zerg and never expand from his 1.5 mining bases, and to cut probes at 35.

BUT THE GUY WHO TOLD ME I WAS WRONG WAS 1600 DIAMOND (and wouldn't say his account name) and since he looked up Zlasher on sc2 ranks and 'im only 650 points (with 65% win rate) that my arguments invalid.

I banned him from chat.
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
November 07 2010 00:11 GMT
#52
On November 07 2010 08:52 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Yep, the other day I had someone tell me that in a craft cup game, roxkis pomi made the correct play to 6 gate off one base against a terrible zerg and never expand from his 1.5 mining bases, and to cut probes at 35.

BUT THE GUY WHO TOLD ME I WAS WRONG WAS 1600 DIAMOND (and wouldn't say his account name) and since he looked up Zlasher on sc2 ranks and 'im only 650 points (with 65% win rate) that my arguments invalid.

I banned him from chat.



holy shit that guys an asshole! LOL, it's really terrible this "Diamond Playaz here..." argument.. usually, when I check the strategy forums in SC 2, some can cause brain damage so I usually check the most logical strategy and it wouldn't matter if you're a gold or a higher diamond.
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
November 07 2010 01:30 GMT
#53
Protip: you can 6pool your way to 1500.

Well, not actually a protip, just a scrub tip.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
November 07 2010 04:09 GMT
#54
I always include my rank when I post advice. Why? Well no one would want some advice from a random bronze player, at least no one would ever use that advice. When people post their rank then you know that their information is credible and used in high level play (or low level, depending on the rank of the person). Sure, people can have opinions on certain things, but unless it was actually helpful and applicable, I don't see the point of those people posting these kinds of things. Seems like a waste to me.

I'm not saying all advice from a "1800+ diamond player" is credible and useful and all advice from a "bronze league player" is useless, thats why teamliquid is a forum where people can discuss their strats and help each other improve on what they are doing "wrong" or inefficient. Though you have to admit, a "2500+ diamond zerg's" advice seems more helpful than a "bronze league, 200+ games played zerg's".
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palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
November 07 2010 05:27 GMT
#55
it ain't perfect but ladder rank is a better objective indicator of skill than anything else you can point to, besides maybe tournament wins.
time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
November 07 2010 05:40 GMT
#56
Well it's the same psychologic deviation that market advertising / politics / journalists use when they are backing a controversial matter by saying M. PhD in Y said "this is good/bad" and everybody not having a fucking clue about what he is saying follows it (reminds me of priests... ).

This is backing up with credibility and subjectiveness and not facts and objectiveness.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
November 07 2010 06:00 GMT
#57
Well, actually in these early day on SC2. Ladder ranks sometimes make some arguments go easier. What I meant is in the day of BW, almost all of the community has some decent sense about the game 'cos lot of things about BW was set in stone and people know it
But in SC2, this is still time of chaos, nothing is set in stone, lots of people out their just realize their is a genre called RTS games exist, so sometime arguments about balance, map, race etc going nowhere. The points and ranking are just an indicator nothing more.
Speaking of which, I never state my league and points when I join a discussion. I just assume everybody is diamond and know what they are talking about as well as understand what I am talking about :D
Terran
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
November 07 2010 07:08 GMT
#58
On November 07 2010 02:08 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
I think that you might have a point there. The forums are full of posts like that and in all honesty I
am sick of that shit.I think it would be great if they made that strategy section where you have to be
1500 point atleast ( or more like 2000 due to inflation) to post. Over 2000 is the level where every
point really starts to matter and therefore real skill and insight to the game are needed. So being
diamond would mean shit and then probably those dicks would stop posting like idiots. Those guys
suck... bad. Most of them simply cheese their way up to 1500, no skill involved there. The ladder,
it is badly "made", the system needs a complete overhaul. Too bad Blizzard doesn´t care, nothing
you can do. So we are left with these 10 post idiots who get to diamond and rush to TL just like a
scrub who doesn´t even notice acrostic writing when it´s in front of his eyes.


+ Show Spoiler +
yeah I was kinda bored.


I love you, man.


I really, really do. That was incredible.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
November 24 2010 23:11 GMT
#59
On November 07 2010 10:30 Offhand wrote:
Protip: you can 6pool your way to 1500.

Well, not actually a protip, just a scrub tip.


probably a bit of an exaggeration...
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 03:10:26
November 25 2010 03:08 GMT
#60
Hey guys I 4 gated to 2100 toss, my opinion means something. /sarcasm

Your ladder ranking is about as related to your understanding of the game as APM is to your skill.

It's not wrong to include your ranking in a post though, using it to validate a point is completely wrong though.
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