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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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Lightswarm
Canada966 Posts
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
On November 07 2010 04:26 Lightswarm wrote: i vote that we ban people who use their ladder points to validate their argument haha good idea | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
I guess to back off a little bit theres two key things here MOST low level players do not know what they're talking about granted. But blanket statements are bad in this situation so what I"m trying to say is don't exclude everyone look at their statements not the person. Because you can usually tell someone what their league is based on information they give. But on the other hand there are mid to high level diamond players who have zero understanding on the game by finding one build that works well vs each race and not experimenting at all. They have no real game knowledge because they never branch out. But also on the other hand we have Capoch who does 4 warpgate a LOT but because you can do different things with 4 warpgates don't call him one of those players. He's tried other things I"ve seen him do other strategies but he always goes back to the 4 warpgate it fits his style. So the problem is when someone tells you their rating it doesn't give you any information is my point. Knowing your league and point number doesnt tell me anything about how well you understand the game... I think one of the biggest problems is people put WAY too much stock in their ladder rating to the point where they go out of their way to try and inflate their point pool. They get mad when they're matched up vs people with higher points etc etc so then they get into this well I have more points than you you're not allowed to argue with me on strategy. So the problem here is two different factors and people only ever talk about one side of the equation. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19050 Posts
But seriously, I tend it immediately ignore the entire post once I read "I'm a Z point Y player". It usually means the person actually doesn't know what the hell they are talking about, and are attempting to justify their post to themself (that's not a word, but I'm a 900 point Plat so I don't care). | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
And you guys are calling the people who post their points elitists. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
I think a situation like that warrants a description of your ladder ranking because it lends credence to your in game examples. If you are only theorycrafting and not drawing on your experiences of specific in game situations then listing your league and points is definitely useless. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On November 07 2010 06:47 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Yeah that is going too far in the other direction it annoys me but I still think people should judge by their posts not by their rank even if they are posting their rank in the thread lol. +epeen for me either way I think they should stack! Oh I thought you meant post count. Post means nothing because a lot of it is people giving you solutions you haven't tried, and if its executed at a low level of play its not worthwhile because he's not facing a proper response. | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
At this point, players who have been in Diamond since day 1 have over 1000 bonus points (used or unused). Unless you're extremely extremely good, Battle.net matches you up against players that give everybody approximately a 1:1 Win/Loss ratio. Often times that will result in a 1.5:1 for the first 100 games and then slowly average out. Given that players will be recieving 22 points per win and losing 10 points per loss (on average), it's safe to assume that the majority of players with 1500-1800 are simply people who have the patience to play a lot of games and spend their bonus points, a task which has no definition of skill attached to it. You may be very good or very knowledgeable, but being 1500-1800 isn't grounds for claiming expertise. It means nothing other than that you have little-to-no bonus points left. Because of the ever-inflating amount of bonus points, soon 2000 won't mean anything, either. Results and facts are all that matter. Do well in a tournament or use critical thinking to back your arguments. "I'm 1800+" does not make you credible. I'm a 950 zerg and beat 1600+ people all the time, I just don't have the patience to grind through ladder. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
BUT THE GUY WHO TOLD ME I WAS WRONG WAS 1600 DIAMOND (and wouldn't say his account name) and since he looked up Zlasher on sc2 ranks and 'im only 650 points (with 65% win rate) that my arguments invalid. I banned him from chat. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On November 07 2010 08:52 ZlaSHeR wrote: Yep, the other day I had someone tell me that in a craft cup game, roxkis pomi made the correct play to 6 gate off one base against a terrible zerg and never expand from his 1.5 mining bases, and to cut probes at 35. BUT THE GUY WHO TOLD ME I WAS WRONG WAS 1600 DIAMOND (and wouldn't say his account name) and since he looked up Zlasher on sc2 ranks and 'im only 650 points (with 65% win rate) that my arguments invalid. I banned him from chat. holy shit that guys an asshole! LOL, it's really terrible this "Diamond Playaz here..." argument.. usually, when I check the strategy forums in SC 2, some can cause brain damage so I usually check the most logical strategy and it wouldn't matter if you're a gold or a higher diamond. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
Well, not actually a protip, just a scrub tip. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
I'm not saying all advice from a "1800+ diamond player" is credible and useful and all advice from a "bronze league player" is useless, thats why teamliquid is a forum where people can discuss their strats and help each other improve on what they are doing "wrong" or inefficient. Though you have to admit, a "2500+ diamond zerg's" advice seems more helpful than a "bronze league, 200+ games played zerg's". | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
This is backing up with credibility and subjectiveness and not facts and objectiveness. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
But in SC2, this is still time of chaos, nothing is set in stone, lots of people out their just realize their is a genre called RTS games exist, so sometime arguments about balance, map, race etc going nowhere. The points and ranking are just an indicator nothing more. Speaking of which, I never state my league and points when I join a discussion. I just assume everybody is diamond and know what they are talking about as well as understand what I am talking about :D | ||
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Issor
United States870 Posts
On November 07 2010 02:08 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I think that you might have a point there. The forums are full of posts like that and in all honesty I am sick of that shit.I think it would be great if they made that strategy section where you have to be 1500 point atleast ( or more like 2000 due to inflation) to post. Over 2000 is the level where every point really starts to matter and therefore real skill and insight to the game are needed. So being diamond would mean shit and then probably those dicks would stop posting like idiots. Those guys suck... bad. Most of them simply cheese their way up to 1500, no skill involved there. The ladder, it is badly "made", the system needs a complete overhaul. Too bad Blizzard doesn´t care, nothing you can do. So we are left with these 10 post idiots who get to diamond and rush to TL just like a scrub who doesn´t even notice acrostic writing when it´s in front of his eyes. + Show Spoiler + yeah I was kinda bored. I love you, man. I really, really do. That was incredible. | ||
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
On November 07 2010 10:30 Offhand wrote: Protip: you can 6pool your way to 1500. Well, not actually a protip, just a scrub tip. probably a bit of an exaggeration... | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
Your ladder ranking is about as related to your understanding of the game as APM is to your skill. It's not wrong to include your ranking in a post though, using it to validate a point is completely wrong though. | ||
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