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JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 23:41:56
October 19 2010 23:41 GMT
#1
I worked on a group assignment for my college class with 3 other people. One of my team members changed some of the answers we had after comparing them to another group's afterwards. He thought the other group was smarter and thus most likely to come up with correct answers.

So the guy submitted the assignment to the teacher and I got a 72 on it along with my group, all because that member changed our right answers to wrong ones without my consent.

FML

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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
October 19 2010 23:46 GMT
#2
And that is why you should always deliver the assignment in as a group But I feel bad for you tbh - depending on how well you know your teacher you could perhaps try to explain the situation (showing him/her when the file was last changed and what was changed). I would only go through this hassle if the assignment really matters in the end though...
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
October 19 2010 23:47 GMT
#3
Urgh annoying, perhaps try to explain it if its a big assignment if not dont worry about it take the hit and keep an eye on that person if you must work together again.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
October 19 2010 23:55 GMT
#4
Rule #1 for group work, always assume your partners are retarded or too lazy to do the project.

I know this because I am one of the retarded lazy partners.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2010 00:06 GMT
#5
Does it worth a lot? Because this is certainly a valid reason for complaints if you feel that your academics is taking a huge hit
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SiegeMode
Profile Joined August 2010
United States206 Posts
October 20 2010 00:07 GMT
#6
Group work is stupid. When I was in college I never let my partners touch group projects. I'd pretend to listen to their input to let them feel useful but there's no way I was letting some random dumbass mess up my grades.

Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
October 20 2010 00:11 GMT
#7
is it common in college to do group work? I haven't done any yet, I'm in first year Psyc
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2010 00:11 GMT
#8
On October 20 2010 09:11 Roe wrote:
is it common in college to do group work? I haven't done any yet, I'm in first year Psyc

I'd say uncommon. I only had to do group work once...
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24787 Posts
October 20 2010 00:11 GMT
#9
More details... what class was it? What type of project was it? How much was it worth? Etc
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jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
October 20 2010 00:16 GMT
#10
group work is the worst thing ever there are three possible situations:

1) one person or a smaller subgroup does all the work and other members get the same grade while do nothing or almost nothing (~80% of groups)

2) People are forced to submit responses they dont actually agree with and deal with the grade (~19% of groups)

3) you actually have a good group (~ 1% of groups)

***note: I made these numbers up, you get my point***
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TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
October 20 2010 00:23 GMT
#11
That sucks man, the two times I got handed group work in college I flat out told my group mates that we're going for an A here, and that if they're serious about their life after college, they will do at least the bare minimum to get an A. They may dislike me afterward but we still got the grade.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 03:25:38
October 20 2010 00:27 GMT
#12
the group assignment for my college always have been a double edge sword some go great and work very well for the team and some are just a huge Trainwreak anyways 72 doesn't sound so bad..
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kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
October 20 2010 00:27 GMT
#13
On October 20 2010 09:16 jamesr12 wrote:
group work is the worst thing ever there are three possible situations:

1) one person or a smaller subgroup does all the work and other members get the same grade while do nothing or almost nothing (~80% of groups)

2) People are forced to submit responses they dont actually agree with and deal with the grade (~19% of groups)

3) you actually have a good group (~ 1% of groups)

***note: I made these numbers up, you get my point***


There is a 4th option:

Pretend you're in a group and do 4x the amount of work you're supposed to have done, but you don't have to interact with anyone.

Fuck yes socially awkward.
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Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
October 20 2010 00:33 GMT
#14
On October 20 2010 09:27 kzn wrote:
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On October 20 2010 09:16 jamesr12 wrote:
group work is the worst thing ever there are three possible situations:

1) one person or a smaller subgroup does all the work and other members get the same grade while do nothing or almost nothing (~80% of groups)

2) People are forced to submit responses they dont actually agree with and deal with the grade (~19% of groups)

3) you actually have a good group (~ 1% of groups)

***note: I made these numbers up, you get my point***


There is a 4th option:

Pretend you're in a group and do 4x the amount of work you're supposed to have done, but you don't have to interact with anyone.

Fuck yes socially awkward.


I'm not socially awkward, but I usually just tell people that I'm doing the project and they can get credit off of me. After the first project (if there are that many) I've usually found people that are at least nice to talk to or able to BS a presentation when they did nothing on it themselves.

I find it more fun doing it all myself, probably because I'm crazy :X I have helped some people out that were totally lost as to what to do, and would otherwise have failed the class even though they try very hard. Call it unfair to me, I find it satisfying and fun.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 02:06:40
October 20 2010 02:03 GMT
#15
On October 20 2010 09:07 SiegeMode wrote:
Group work is stupid. When I was in college I never let my partners touch group projects. I'd pretend to listen to their input to let them feel useful but there's no way I was letting some random dumbass mess up my grades.



Group work potentially is some of the most important stuff you can learn to do in College to be honest. Almost no one is a company of one post-college. Sure it depends on your major a bit, but don't just write it off.

At the same time there's some problems with college group work. Maybe someone is flunking or acing tests so they're not as motivated to do well on the assignment or they think they can get you to do it for them.

Group assignments work best when you have stuff like partially asymmetrical work so each person can show their knowledge with some independent contribution while also being graded on a teamwork portion of the assignment.

One of my most valuable lessons in College was a Software design class where we were broken out into separate groups (3-4 people per group) and assigned different parts of a larger piece of software to write with several groups implementing the same components. The idea was each small team would implement a component of the software then have to work with other teams to use their software to create a finished product. The idea is you are graded on your small team's individual piece of the software while also having part of the grade rely on how well you can communicate and coordinate with the other teams that may or may not be using your pieces in return. That was probably the closest I came to having a class that properly emulated what is was like to work at a software company.

Now granted this was group work with more group work mixed in, but it still worked really well. There was plenty of time to go to the teacher if your teammates were lazy (long term assignment) and software development is a bit different than just coming up with the right answers. For example a similar class I had our final project didn't do what it was supposed to, but we still got a B/B+ because we made a good case to the teacher about our design (which was solid) and how well we understood why it didn't work at the moment.

Anyways more OT, your group mate sucks, like others said if it's important talk to the teacher. At the same time it's kinda icky because if she only believes part of your story she'll just walk away with thinking that your group cheated.
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crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
October 20 2010 03:09 GMT
#16
One of my most valuable lessons in College was a Software design class where we were broken out into separate groups (3-4 people per group) and assigned different parts of a larger piece of software to write with several groups implementing the same components. The idea was each small team would implement a component of the software then have to work with other teams to use their software to create a finished product. The idea is you are graded on your small team's individual piece of the software while also having part of the grade rely on how well you can communicate and coordinate with the other teams that may or may not be using your pieces in return. That was probably the closest I came to having a class that properly emulated what is was like to work at a software company.


This. I REALLY wish my school incorporated more group work for my CS classes. Most of the assignments were just stuff that you do on your own. When I code on my own, I write the shitiest and least flexible code ever and professors usually just ran your program rather than look at your code so I easily scraped by because my program worked... (but if I have to make the slightest changes/additions I'm fucked and I'm better off starting the program from scratch).

I think I only had like one or two group programming assignments in my 4 years at college. Both of them ended pretty badly (IE usually the smart kid did everything) but even though it was fail, learning how to legitimately code in a group environment is probably more useful then most of the other crap they teach in CS.
inkblot
Profile Joined December 2004
United States1250 Posts
October 20 2010 03:53 GMT
#17
I had a group assignment to write a brief MIPS assembly program. I finished it far before the deadline by myself and sent a copy to my partner so he could study from it if needed, and emailed it to the prof/TA. My partner shows my program to his buddies, who apparently copied it and I get an email from the prof at the end of the quarter. Fortunately my partner confessed and I wasn't penalized.

For most group assignments I don't mind doing the majority of the work myself, as I get most of my learning done on homework. Giving away my work is definitely the low point of my experience with groups though.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 04:12:52
October 20 2010 04:09 GMT
#18
I've worked on at least one project every single semester throughout my university education, and I've worked with an eclectic group of people with various different backgrounds (some even from different faculties). Working with people is really a skill that can be learned.

At the moment, I'm having a great time working with this guy from Tsinghua University for my distributed course. I feel we really understand each other, and don't waste too much time explaining our ideas. Teamwork is just that much better when things can be done tacitly.

All in all, group work is awesome, and I enjoy it.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
October 20 2010 04:15 GMT
#19
I'm working on a group assignment right now... and its due in 9 hours. 2 members have not gotten back to me with their part yet... this is retarded
always tired -_-
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
October 20 2010 05:23 GMT
#20
ugh that sucks man, in high school I had a few bad experiences with group projects... well not that bad but just me doing most of the work since other students didn't care too much.

Just had an oral spanish presentation today with 2 other group mates and it went great though luckily enough.
Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
October 20 2010 05:29 GMT
#21
oh god group projects

I'm one of those people who will just do 90% of the work. Easier to do all the work yourself then to spend x2 the effort trying to motivate lazy teammates who think they don't need to do any of the work, and you can make sure shit like what happened to you won't happen.
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