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Diamond, what a F'n joke. - Page 3

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VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
September 25 2010 20:22 GMT
#41
While I assume most folks agree with your point of "rating isn't everything - stop acting like it does," that also means that no one really acts like their rating is everything. You also seemed to strawman it out a bit when saying things like "bronze players can be better than diamond players," which is true theory, but not really in practice.

In practice "rank one golds" will give out advice like it is gospel and folks need a way to filter the results of discussions. Nothing is black and white -- everyone has to wade through the same pools to try to find gems of information. Knowing ratings is just one tool to make that easier.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
September 25 2010 21:20 GMT
#42
On September 26 2010 04:15 SCC-Faust wrote:
Omg Jonoman you're famous!

well ya of course
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
September 26 2010 00:27 GMT
#43
On September 26 2010 02:22 Crawler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2010 02:01 Biochemist wrote:
On September 26 2010 01:13 Crawler wrote:
so some random 300 diamond player who's at 80% win rate is better than 1800 diamonid@55% win rate because 300p player doesn't mass games? Players who mass games will improve even at least a bit even if their games aren't top level. It's like saying that jaedong and flash are nobody and noobs because they mass games while some C- players who play 2 games a week own.


Where did anyone make this assertion?


"Firstly
Just because you hit Diamond, doesn't mean you're better than someone in Plat or even Bronze. Not everyone masses games on Ladder, just because you're 200-200 means you have time to play more games. Get off your fucking horse.
"

Explain what he meant then? People who have time to improve themselves and get better should think that they are actually bad?


He said that people who ladder more or have a higher rank are not necessarily better. You seem to have interpreted this as meaning that people who ladder less are therefore, by default, better than those who ladder more.

I'm not an expert in logic so I don't know all the formal terms for what you just did, but perhaps you should read the part you quoted along with your reply again and see if you can figure out where you went wrong.
Crawler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Estonia248 Posts
September 26 2010 11:03 GMT
#44
On September 26 2010 09:27 Biochemist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2010 02:22 Crawler wrote:
On September 26 2010 02:01 Biochemist wrote:
On September 26 2010 01:13 Crawler wrote:
so some random 300 diamond player who's at 80% win rate is better than 1800 diamonid@55% win rate because 300p player doesn't mass games? Players who mass games will improve even at least a bit even if their games aren't top level. It's like saying that jaedong and flash are nobody and noobs because they mass games while some C- players who play 2 games a week own.


Where did anyone make this assertion?


"Firstly
Just because you hit Diamond, doesn't mean you're better than someone in Plat or even Bronze. Not everyone masses games on Ladder, just because you're 200-200 means you have time to play more games. Get off your fucking horse.
"

Explain what he meant then? People who have time to improve themselves and get better should think that they are actually bad?


He said that people who ladder more or have a higher rank are not necessarily better. You seem to have interpreted this as meaning that people who ladder less are therefore, by default, better than those who ladder more.

I'm not an expert in logic so I don't know all the formal terms for what you just did, but perhaps you should read the part you quoted along with your reply again and see if you can figure out where you went wrong.


It's obvious that many play custom games and are probably at diamond level with their plat league but you statement is a bs. Unless bronze player practises only with diamond players and masses still about the same ammount of game or even more. You also wanted me to read the part I quoted and my reply... ok: "just because you're 200-200 means you have time to play more games". So bronze player who doesn't have time to play more (custom) games can be better that diamond player who masses ladder? Only way it can happen is when diamond player has down syndrome and bronze player has insane talent and yet didnt learn anything from first placement matches or just lost them on purpose. You are not the OP. Stop interpreting his ideas when you clearly can understand what he meant by typing this crap.
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
September 26 2010 13:17 GMT
#45
No, you're still wrong. I'm not going to argue this any more, except to say that perhaps you should try to read posts in context instead of zooming in one one badly-written phrase.
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