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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 20 2010 16:04 GMT
#21
There is no such thing as cheese in 2v2. Cloaked banshees wouldn't even be cheese in 1v1. Cannon blocking a ramp in 1v1 isn't cheese, because there's no risk of it not working when scouted since it's meant to be scouted. Well if he never scouts it, then I think he has a problem.
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
September 20 2010 16:05 GMT
#22
It depends on how you rush for banshees if its cheese or not. If you sac your whole econ to get the banshees out faster and are depending on them not rushing you, then yes I consider it cheese. If you have the opportunity to transition into a mid game situation because you delayed the banshees a little to get more econ and marines its not cheese.

I really dont know what to consider the pylon and cannon block vs zerg. It has clear transitions out, and is actually a very econ oriented build. But it might just be the gayest build in SC2 so that could qualify it as cheese
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
September 20 2010 16:14 GMT
#23
gay but hardly cheese
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32160 Posts
September 20 2010 16:23 GMT
#24
Cheese is just a really short way of saying 'I was too dumb to scout, too stupid too adapt and even if I did, I probably lacked the mechanical skill to win anyway'
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
September 20 2010 16:34 GMT
#25
The result is all that matters. A W is a W is a W, whether it involved 1 base or 6 bases. Who cares if it's cheese?
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Paca
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2 Posts
September 20 2010 16:47 GMT
#26
On September 21 2010 01:23 Hawk wrote:
Cheese is just a really short way of saying 'I was too dumb to scout, too stupid too adapt and even if I did, I probably lacked the mechanical skill to win anyway'

For somebody who posts here so much you must be absolutely godawful at Starcraft.
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
September 20 2010 17:27 GMT
#27
On September 20 2010 17:43 Metalwing wrote:
ToX is a raging pussy. And your strategies are cheap. But, if you win, no prob..

well that's not nice ;(

I liked your starcraft roleplay blog, smooooth
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 17:52:38
September 20 2010 17:52 GMT
#28
On September 21 2010 00:48 Paca wrote:
Tox talks shit to awful players like you to provoke them into a 1v1 so he can destroy you assuming you're not a cheesing scrub. You essentially just got trolled and you got so butthurt over it you had to cheese to try to win.


On September 21 2010 01:47 Paca wrote:
For somebody who posts here so much you must be absolutely godawful at Starcraft.


Hey, Tox. Did you register a new account just to talk to me? How come you blocked me? I cant PM you for lessons now
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
September 20 2010 18:27 GMT
#29
On September 21 2010 02:52 Tyrio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 00:48 Paca wrote:
Tox talks shit to awful players like you to provoke them into a 1v1 so he can destroy you assuming you're not a cheesing scrub. You essentially just got trolled and you got so butthurt over it you had to cheese to try to win.


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 01:47 Paca wrote:
For somebody who posts here so much you must be absolutely godawful at Starcraft.


Hey, Tox. Did you register a new account just to talk to me? How come you blocked me? I cant PM you for lessons now

don't flatter yourself ^_^
VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
September 20 2010 18:50 GMT
#30
Honestly the only thing I think as protoss when I see TZ is "8 rax 8 pool." Nothing else really comes close to it on the cheese scale for the match up.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32160 Posts
September 20 2010 18:53 GMT
#31
On September 21 2010 01:47 Paca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 01:23 Hawk wrote:
Cheese is just a really short way of saying 'I was too dumb to scout, too stupid too adapt and even if I did, I probably lacked the mechanical skill to win anyway'

For somebody who posts here so much you must be absolutely godawful at Starcraft.


Nah, I'm just man enough accept that losses are my own fault instead of blaming it on stupid things like 'MY OPPONENT RUSHED VS MY MACRO BUILD, CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER!!!!'
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DirtyFrank
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1 Post
September 22 2010 05:52 GMT
#32
random team doesn't mean shit when you turtle up and rush banshees, point is it's an all in strat, if we had detection ready at that extremely early point (which is obviously unlikely) it was over, that's cheese to me. rolling the dice praying for a free win.
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
September 22 2010 06:12 GMT
#33
Oh man the people who lost made TL accounts to continue the 'argument' and nerdrage?



Who's paca btw? is he blue? everybody else in that 2v2 has clear and obvious tl names. or is he just some random super BM troll that popped up?
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
September 22 2010 06:38 GMT
#34
i just did a quick search, and didn't find anything but this, and it doesnt really define cheese the way most of us do. for the general definition, would a 6factory all-in tvp count as cheese? would 1fact 1port count as cheese? would ayumi?

i dont really know any sc2 equivalents lol (except 4gate i think), but would these be cheesy or just gay. or neither because you're so pro and can hold them off with ease >.>
boomer hands
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
September 24 2010 07:30 GMT
#35
On September 22 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
Oh man the people who lost made TL accounts to continue the 'argument' and nerdrage?



Who's paca btw? is he blue? everybody else in that 2v2 has clear and obvious tl names. or is he just some random super BM troll that popped up?

Yeah, I actually registered a year ago and posted since to make it seem like I was a legit TL user anticipating this moment

Or maybe you're just too dense to check join date, who knows!

I don't know what constitutes nerd rage to you, if defending a stance that sacrificing your economy on one attack that is instantly shut down by detection is nerd rage.. Nah, sounds like you're just a little slow. No offense!

All is well, me and Tyrio have reconciled, we flipped coins together from sunset to sunrise, it was a magnificent night
I hope to do it again sometime
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 24 2010 08:16 GMT
#36
Yeah, anything that rushes for fast invisible units that aren't obs with the aim of killing them because they didn't scout you and your whole strategy depends on that is pretty cheesy.

Pylon / cannon blocking is pretty cheesy too.
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