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Advice on doing bo5?

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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 08 2010 04:17 GMT
#1
I have done a lots of bo3 recently but today is the first time i have ever done a bo5 with somebody...

I am EXHAUSTED after the 1st 2 games...God, my multi tasking is terribly, terribly bad. Normally my apm is around 120 but on game 345, they are around 50 or less mid game...
I cant find myself but instead a low level gold player vs a 1k elo zerg player... My timing push are perfect but my macro is SO DOWN that in constantly sy block myself + expand VERY late.

I want advices from the Pros out there on how you train your mind for a bo5 or bo7? I believe my problem is not about playing not enough games since i can ladder 10 long games no break no problem... Also, what are the psychologist effects on using cheese and win/lose by those? I am asking this since if im off in macro later on, i want to have a cheesy back up plan for my little little brain =.=...

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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
September 08 2010 04:25 GMT
#2
Honestly, I found it is just practice. I used to get raging headaches after 2-3 games. But now, if I really really wanted to, I could probably go 10 games straight with minimal deviation in terms of APM and skill. I may be thinking less critically, but my apm doesn't drop 50%.
The more you play, you'll find that most of the things you do end up being subconscious, and they don't tire you nearly as much. The main tiring part is if you're in a hot room, and you're sweating, or if it's a really, really long game with intense micro and reactions (like drops everywhere, harassment, etc.) Those really are exhausting, and that is an example of the metagame within a BO5. Long games vs player that tires easily = advantage. (My goodness I hope I used metagame correctly. Otherwise I have officially become a hypocrite...)
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
September 08 2010 04:30 GMT
#3
Play sets of 5 consecutive ladder games without stopping.

If you really get that exhausted from playing 5 games at such a low apm, just work on increasing your mechanics so you don't have to work as hard. It sounds like you're really struggling to play at even 120. Even when I'm falling asleep and playing like trash I find I have about 150 so I know that's my bottom benchmark. If your apm is bottoming at 50 for real, well you simply are pushing yourself too hard to hit 120 because that's over a 100% increase. I'm not playing at 400 apm normally. Work on increasing that bottom rate so that your body is automatically playing at least that fast.

Also, people might disagree with this one, but drink some coffee =D
Half man, half bear, half pig.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 05:58:14
September 08 2010 05:57 GMT
#4
On September 08 2010 13:25 Archaic wrote:
Honestly, I found it is just practice.


Practice man. I usually play bo5's all the time against friends and TL people (via practice partners thread).

Coming into this thread I thought it would be a problem about varying your play vs playing 1 or 2 builds over and over in a bo5. Since a bo5 is a repeated game situation, theres a different strategy to it compared to laddering where you can do the same build over and over again for a certain matchup because of different opponents everytime.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
September 08 2010 06:58 GMT
#5
Cheese set 1 to gain the mind-game advantage!
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
September 08 2010 07:30 GMT
#6
Seems like everyone is giving advice to practice more to get used to massing games while OP said he has no problem with it, only bo5s. I assume it happens in somewhat nerve-racking tournament situations? My advice would be to just play more tournaments with bo3/bo5 matches, by no means a "pro player" advice though. Do you get noticeably nervous or just exhausted?
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Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
September 08 2010 07:52 GMT
#7
First Game - 5 Pool
Second Game - Drone Drill
Third Game - Win vs a crippled opponent
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
September 08 2010 07:54 GMT
#8
play BO5;s with practice partners.

Or anybody you know IRL around your skill level.


If possible, do so with some petty cash on the line.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
September 08 2010 07:56 GMT
#9
On September 08 2010 16:52 Mortician wrote:
First Game - 5 Pool
Second Game - Drone Drill
Third Game - Win vs a crippled opponent

Julyzerg BoX Build Order ^_^

Best series ever (if you're a July fanboy!).
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
September 08 2010 08:03 GMT
#10
On September 08 2010 16:56 Kimaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 16:52 Mortician wrote:
First Game - 5 Pool
Second Game - Drone Drill
Third Game - Win vs a crippled opponent

Julyzerg BoX Build Order ^_^

Best series ever (if you're a July fanboy!).


Oh god, DAT SERIES. Still brings me so much awesome memories.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
September 08 2010 08:15 GMT
#11
are you in a good physical shape?
And all is illuminated.
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
September 08 2010 08:33 GMT
#12
Do you mass games on ladder?

If you don't, maybe playing non stop for awhile will get your stamina up if you have the time.
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
September 08 2010 08:45 GMT
#13
The more BoX games you play, the better you will become at being able to endure the long number of games. The best time to cheese would be on a map that you don't like, after winning the previous set, or if you have like a huge lead (2-0 in a bo5).
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