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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 03:44:24
August 18 2010 03:33 GMT
#1
Imagine a smooth metal ring around earth’s equator, and imagine a metal cable wrapped around the metal ring so that nothing can squeeze between cable and the ring. Assume both the ring and cable are perfect circles, and cannot shrink or stretch. The cable has 3 feet added to its circumference and is floats off the ring so that the slack is equally distributed around earth.

Poll: What is largest object that will fit between cable and ring?

G) a grapefruit (~5 inches diameter) (11)
 
29%

B) a virus (~100nm) (8)
 
21%

H) a pumpkin (~1.5 feet diameter) (7)
 
18%

A) an electron (Less than 1x10-13 cm) (3)
 
8%

C) single skin cell (~20 microns) (3)
 
8%

D) a grain of sand (~200 microns) (3)
 
8%

E) a typical pearl (~9mm diameter) (3)
 
8%

F) a grape (~1 inch diameter) (0)
 
0%

38 total votes

Your vote: What is largest object that will fit between cable and ring?

(Vote): A) an electron (Less than 1x10-13 cm)
(Vote): B) a virus (~100nm)
(Vote): C) single skin cell (~20 microns)
(Vote): D) a grain of sand (~200 microns)
(Vote): E) a typical pearl (~9mm diameter)
(Vote): F) a grape (~1 inch diameter)
(Vote): G) a grapefruit (~5 inches diameter)
(Vote): H) a pumpkin (~1.5 feet diameter)









try to guess it before looking at answer or doing any calculations
+ Show Spoiler +
the earth has a diameter of 41,865,458 feet and the gap has a size of 5.73 inches, approximately a grapefruit. It will be the same for any spherical object.

This really blew my mind when I first heard it but i saw the proof and it works


PROOF
+ Show Spoiler +

the difference between cable’s circumference and rings circumference is 3 feet, so
2*Pi*r2 = 2*Pi*r1 + 3
2*Pi*r2 - 2*Pi*r1 = 3
2*Pi*(r2-r1) = 3
We are trying to find r2-r1, so
r2-r1 = 3/2*pi
which equals 0.477 feet or approximately 5.7 inches




*
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
August 18 2010 03:43 GMT
#2
the minute you said feet i gave up
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 18 2010 03:45 GMT
#3
If you solve the equation, you obtain gap = 3 feet / 2 Pi = 5.73 inches.

Incredible indeed. I would have said it was much smaller but decided to do some maths first
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
August 18 2010 03:46 GMT
#4
On August 18 2010 12:43 exeexe wrote:
the minute you said feet i gave up


3 feet isnt that hard to picture, it's approximately 90 cm

the general idea is to think of adding 1 meter to the circumference and thinking how much bigger the cable gets
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
August 18 2010 03:48 GMT
#5
I don't understand any of this...
The only thing that blew my mind is how confusing this whole problem is.

So, is this saying the Earth is so smooth around the equator line that the standard deviation from the mean is only 5,73 inches? o.O
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
August 18 2010 03:51 GMT
#6
On August 18 2010 12:48 Leath wrote:
I don't understand any of this...
The only thing that blew my mind is how confusing this whole problem is.

So, is this saying the Earth is so smooth around the equator line that the standard deviation from the mean is only 5,73 inches? o.O


no, the earth isn't really the point, the only role the earth plays is to give u an idea of how large the circle is; and you are assuming the circles are perfect circles
kli6891
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States143 Posts
August 18 2010 03:53 GMT
#7
voted pumpkin just because no one else did :D
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
August 18 2010 03:59 GMT
#8
well since most of tl is hopefully not as backwards as the US when it comes to measuring. here's the metric proof



+ Show Spoiler +
assume circumference of earth is 40 07600m, the ring has no thickness, and the ring and metal band is perfectly 40 07600m.

C1 = 40 076000m
C2= 40 076000.90m

c1=2pir1
r1=6378293.499m
r2=6378293.643m
d=r2-r1
d=14.3cm
therefore a 14.3 cm object will fit between the band and the ring
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
August 18 2010 04:05 GMT
#9
Would have been fine if you either used all metric system or no metric system.

I think I calculated there should be a .14 meter gap, and then I had no idea which answer would match a .14 meter gap.
안지호
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 18 2010 04:05 GMT
#10
On August 18 2010 12:59 Malgrif wrote:
well since most of tl is hopefully not as backwards as the US when it comes to measuring. here's the metric proof



+ Show Spoiler +
assume circumference of earth is 40 07600m, the ring has no thickness, and the ring and metal band is perfectly 40 07600m.

C1 = 40 076000m
C2= 40 076000.90m

c1=2pir1
r1=6378293.499m
r2=6378293.643m
d=r2-r1
d=14.3cm
therefore a 14.3 cm object will fit between the band and the ring


Or you could you just convert the final result
Since the rest of the proof is just pure letter variables.
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 18 2010 04:13 GMT
#11
You don't have a correct answer in those options. The correct answer is nothing, because it's stated in the premise of the problem.

Imagine a smooth metal ring around earth’s equator, and imagine a metal cable wrapped around the metal ring so that nothing can squeeze between cable and the ring.


Right there.

Man, I love these math problems :> Got any more?
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
August 18 2010 04:13 GMT
#12
Hehe, that is one of the few things I remember from my first semester on our university. Guess that shows how hardworking student I am T_T ...
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 18 2010 04:30 GMT
#13
On August 18 2010 13:13 Sadistx wrote:
You don't have a correct answer in those options. The correct answer is nothing, because it's stated in the premise of the problem.

Show nested quote +
Imagine a smooth metal ring around earth’s equator, and imagine a metal cable wrapped around the metal ring so that nothing can squeeze between cable and the ring.


Right there.

Man, I love these math problems :> Got any more?



The cable has 3 feet added to its circumference and is floats off the ring so that the slack is equally distributed around earth.


??
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
August 18 2010 04:36 GMT
#14
On August 18 2010 13:13 Sadistx wrote:
You don't have a correct answer in those options. The correct answer is nothing, because it's stated in the premise of the problem.

Show nested quote +
Imagine a smooth metal ring around earth’s equator, and imagine a metal cable wrapped around the metal ring so that nothing can squeeze between cable and the ring.


Right there.

Man, I love these math problems :> Got any more?


lol
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
August 18 2010 04:38 GMT
#15
The real question is, why on earth is a cable floating three feet off of the surface of the earth?
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
August 18 2010 04:39 GMT
#16
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I HAZ PUMPKIN
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 18 2010 05:48 GMT
#17
I'd say a virus, because while the change is tiny, it's not so insignificant that an electron could fit but not so significant that a pearl could.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
AlienAlias
Profile Joined June 2009
United States324 Posts
August 18 2010 06:20 GMT
#18
On August 18 2010 13:38 zer0das wrote:
The real question is, why on earth is a cable floating three feet off of the surface of the earth?


A better version of the riddle would be that the cable is supported in the air to it's maximum circumference, rather than just floating XD
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 18 2010 06:26 GMT
#19
On August 18 2010 15:20 AlienAlias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 13:38 zer0das wrote:
The real question is, why on earth is a cable floating three feet off of the surface of the earth?


A better version of the riddle would be that the cable is supported in the air to it's maximum circumference, rather than just floating XD


It's not floating 3 feet off... I admit the "nothing" in the premise was confusing, but I found the problem intersting as the final results is a lot different that what I expected.
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AlienAlias
Profile Joined June 2009
United States324 Posts
August 18 2010 06:45 GMT
#20
On August 18 2010 15:26 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 15:20 AlienAlias wrote:
On August 18 2010 13:38 zer0das wrote:
The real question is, why on earth is a cable floating three feet off of the surface of the earth?


A better version of the riddle would be that the cable is supported in the air to it's maximum circumference, rather than just floating XD


It's not floating 3 feet off... I admit the "nothing" in the premise was confusing, but I found the problem intersting as the final results is a lot different that what I expected.


Yeah, it's definitely one of my favorite teasers. Realistically, you'd think that adding a little bit of length to a rope that goes around the world would do nothing, considering how massive the world is, but when you think about it analytically the circumference and radius relate directly at a certain ratio (c = (pi)2r) so it doesn't matter what the previous radius was.
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