EPTIs this a consequence of some Ladder Matching Rules Battle.net is using?
Why is Dayvie at the Top of the Ladder?
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ItsYoungLee
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Is this a consequence of some Ladder Matching Rules Battle.net is using? | ||
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seRapH
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blahman3344
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mesohawny
Canada193 Posts
"quality" being an arbitrary term in relation to their opponents ladder ranking. | ||
Chill
Calgary25989 Posts
On August 14 2010 01:40 ItsYoungLee wrote: Can someone explain to me how someone with what appears to be 91 more wins and only 31 more losses is rated lower? Can someone explain to me how you couldn't figure this out yourself? | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
My guess is that it's a consequence of the bonus point system, high losses, low gains at the top of the ladder. Dayvie climbs in points because the bonus point system gives him more than he loses. TTOne loses more than/just as much as he gains from the bonus pool. It's fairly safe to assume that you are bound to lose points if you are at the top of the ladder and "only" have a 68% win ratio. | ||
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EffectS
Belgium795 Posts
On August 14 2010 01:47  Chill wrote:Can someone explain to me how you couldn't figure this out yourself? For that Answer my friend, I'd like to advice you to Check out the following site:+ Show Spoiler + 50 Things that  Kill braincells | ||
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
On August 14 2010 01:47 Chill wrote: Can someone explain to me how you couldn't figure this out yourself? It's not that trivial as an explanation of "Dayvie just played more favored people while TTOne didn't". If the system is good it should average out and you shouldn't have people with different win percentage of 4%+ with a combined sample size of over 400 games have similar rating. In this case it's even worse because the direction is reversed (lower win % --> higher score). The p-value for that has got to be miniscule. The explanation must lie in how the system matches opponents. I don't have that great of a knowledge about how it works, and would like to understand. | ||
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Kralic
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
On August 14 2010 01:55 EffectS wrote: For that Answer my friend, I'd like to advice you to Check out the following site:+ Show Spoiler + 50 Things that Kill braincellsCan someone please explain to me why EffectS tlpdized his post? | ||
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
+Blizzard is reluctant to give all details of their ladder ranking system because then it's possible it could be abused. Just thought with the intelligent TL userbase here someone could venture some plausible guesses to explain such non-intuitive results. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7923 Posts
On August 14 2010 01:55 EffectS wrote: For that Answer my friend, I'd like to advice you to Check out the following site:+ Show Spoiler + 50 Things that Kill braincellsPriceless | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
Maybe TTone lost a lot of games to Dayvie? If you beat someone you gain a lot more points then what you would have won. Say Dayvie beats TT1 Dayvie gains 20 points and TT1 loses 10 points. Dayvie just gained 30 points on TT1 in the ladder. | ||
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AnodyneSea
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
As for the bonus pool, I don't think it should make much of a difference because they probably started laddering at the same time, at the release of Starcraft 2. Thus they both gained the same amount from the bonus. I found this website which helps to explain the system a lot, http://lorehound.com/starcraft/starcraft-2s-battle-net-leagues-ladders-and-rankings-explained/ but it still seems to me that the data I see for rankings seems discordant with a well-designed laddering system. Another explanation that seems possibly plausible to me is that these two users play as part of two different Battle.net 'cohorts'. If TT1 only plays at night and Dayvie only plays during the day, this could somewhat explain how they could have different %ages with similar ratings. Do they live on opposite sides of the Earth? lol | ||
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Chill
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2010/7/24/analyzing-starcraft-2s-ranking-system.html | ||
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EffectS
Belgium795 Posts
On August 14 2010 01:59 n.DieJokes wrote: Can someone please explain to me why EffectS tlpdized his post? + Show Spoiler + I clicked it, and it is my geek nature not to more than is needed, so I diden't remove it. happy now? | ||
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Navane
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If best winrate -> best ranking, then ranking would be rather redundant. | ||
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
I really just responded half-heartedly to the thread because I got a mild kick out of the ad banner. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/JBi3i.jpg) | ||
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
It's true that winrate =/= ranking... otherwise it'd suck to be of low rank, you'd lose like 95% of the time and be so discouraged. | ||
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EffectS
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TT1
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On August 14 2010 01:40 ItsYoungLee wrote: At sc2ranks.com dayvie is currently #1 with rating 1188 with a record of 63.64% 119-68, while TTOne is #3 with rating of 1166 with a record of 67.96% 210-99. Can someone explain to me how someone with what appears to be 91 more wins and only 31 more losses is rated lower? Is this a consequence of some Ladder Matching Rules Battle.net is using? i play to practice so once i use up my bonus pool pts i keep playing.. i end up winning +4 pts a game for each win and lose around 20 for a loss while im assuming dayvie just uses up his bonus pool points and stops playin afterwards | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
On August 14 2010 02:54 EffectS wrote: + Show Spoiler + I clicked it, and it is my geek nature not to more than is needed, so I diden't remove it. happy now? lol, I'm just playing around. TLPDize to your hearts content, I know I have ^.^ | ||
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EffectS
Belgium795 Posts
On August 14 2010 10:39 n.DieJokes wrote: lol, I'm Just playing around. TLPDize to your hearts content, I know I have ^.^Sorry, what was that? Couldn't hear you over my TLPDized content located below: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:20 404.Delirium wrote: I don't really know why it's a deal worth worrying over or blogging about, or why that post was TLPD'ized; or why we should know and you can't figure it out yourself =( I really just responded half-heartedly to the thread because I got a mild kick out of the ad banner. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7201/dayu.png) Well google is always spot on. | ||
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