Hi, what is the best game to recommend to an SC2 newbie that thinks it is better viewing than BW?
The game does not necessarily need to be played well, but it would have to: + be professional + exciting all the way through + have an active start and middlegame with preferably a close ending + involve many units/tech shifts + many ooh/ahh moments with mines/scarabs/plagues
Basically, the best vod to convince someone outright that BW was a better spectator sport than SC2.
I'm annoyed at this guy at work who seems to think differently without watching any BW epics.
(btw, I don't want pimpest play vods.)
Nal-ra vs savior on peaks comes to mind, but I wanted a game with more... dazzle. That was a bit more like siege warfare. I want a game that explodes in their faces, even if there are many mistakes. And good english commentary is a plus.
Imagine the rocky fights in BW form. with more units.
You can't really prove anything about either game with a single VOD... I mean, there might be one really good game but the average game is boring, right? You'd have to introduce him to the progaming leagues, really. For someone who views a game of Starcraft the first time it's honestly not all that impressive, you have to have a grasp of what's going on imo. Also what Shade###### said.
English commentary? That cuts down the list by a decent amount |: Either way, shouldn't be too hard, considering BW is better to watch then SC2. Unless he's one of those people that complain about how annoying the graphics/resolution is non-stop. -Attempts to find a VOD-
Lol this reminds me of when Ryan Rushia was watching the finals last weekend and me and Rael were explaining everything. "What's that orange cloud thing?"
Idk about BW being a better spectator sport than SC2 tho. I have watched 1000's of BW games and 1000's of SC2 games and I think Sc2 is a SLIGHTLY better spectator sport.
On August 10 2010 06:02 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Lol this reminds me of when Ryan Rushia was watching the finals last weekend and me and Rael were explaining everything. "What's that orange cloud thing?"
Idk about BW being a better spectator sport than SC2 tho. I have watched 1000's of BW games and 1000's of SC2 games and I think Sc2 is a SLIGHTLY better spectator sport.
It's preference. People who aren't that familiar with BW aren't going to suddenly enjoy it. Feel free to show videos to him, but I doubt it will make a difference. Just be happy he enjoys part of the Starcraft series, even if its not the part you may enjoy.
On August 10 2010 06:07 Alou wrote: It's preference. People who aren't that familiar with BW aren't going to suddenly enjoy it. Feel free to show videos to him, but I doubt it will make a difference. Just be happy he enjoys part of the Starcraft series, even if its not the part you may enjoy.
Hey guys, I'm not looking to be 'cured' of my love for BW; this is a blog about finding the best VOD, not tackling my inner demons. Consider this like an alternate reality where BW superiority is a fact. It's not some philosophical debate - "well, it's the spirit of competition which is important!" or "maybe you should find some other outlets for your emotions" I just want the best vods to show someone, and for them not to be bored.
http://www.gomtv.net/videos/237 Jaedong vs Lomo on Katrina. Great multitasking and comeback from Jaedong and lots of ooh ahh moments. On the other hand not too much action in the midgame and huge blunders by Lomo.
Definitely agree with the Light vs Tempest game, fuck that was hilarious. Not exactly a long game with a bunch of tech switches, but really entertaining.
Also, Free vs Jaedong on Athena in ClubDay MSL if you're looking to show a longer game.
One of the coolest PvZs ever.
It's really tough to get people into BW. I've tried a few times and I usually get a mixture of "blah blah BW has ugly graphics blah blah" or "lol Koreans are stupid they still play that 10 year old game?" Not everyone will suddenly become a BW fan especially with SC2 out now.
it made it all the more epic. Just my personal preference for a more recent game tho, as Broodwar has had a myriad of excellent games throughout its history, and other people will probably point them out. This one had me tho
On August 10 2010 06:02 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Lol this reminds me of when Ryan Rushia was watching the finals last weekend and me and Rael were explaining everything. "What's that orange cloud thing?"
Idk about BW being a better spectator sport than SC2 tho. I have watched 1000's of BW games and 1000's of SC2 games and I think Sc2 is a SLIGHTLY better spectator sport.
"THE G-SPOTS OF ALL G-SPOTS!!!" cholera is great in that 1) hes funny and 2) anything that is even remotely related to reach (in this case yellow and reach being buddies) and he enters ultimate mantoss fanboi mode ^^
Best way to get someone into BW is to actually play it with them, the VODs come after you are actually into it. I remeber I got into it when I saw my korean friend playing on bnet doing some awesome muta harrass while attacking with lings. After I had been playing for a couple weeks THEN he told me about how in korea there were players like boxer and yellow, etc and how they could win with just scvs or how hwasin was so fast he beat a lurker with a single marine. Also if you are going to show him a VOD show him some of the older ones as they tend to be more micro oriented and a lot less macro which seems boring to new players.
i would also show bisu vs stork msl finals series back in 07. every game in that series was amazing (except g1 imo). the sexy dbl robo build by stork in game 2 and epic game 5 were my favs ^^
I've been looking for that bisu vs iris @ byzantium 3 game. I saw it once and thought it was the best game ever. then when I tried to think of it earlier I had completely forgotten the title. Iris is under pressure the whole time but some how turns out a win. That's the one game that convinced me that broodwar was a good spectator sport.
jaedong vs flash @ rush hour 3 from last year's winners league semifinals jaedong vs fantasy @ outsider from last year's Proleague finals savior vs iris @ Neo Arkanoid luxury vs upmagic @ outsider from proleague last year bisu vs jaedong @ blue storm (i forget which league, GOM MSL S4 maybe?) bisu vs flash @ blue storm (EVER08 OSL I think) flash vs bisu @ heartbreak ridge (WCG korea 2009) bisu vs kal @ outsider (recent STX vs SKT1 proleague playoffs match) boxer vs killer @ tornado from proleague late last year
as far as english commentary goes, I think you should only use it if he absolutely wont watch without it. original korean VODs are just so much better (most english commentary is garbage and wont explain stuff to him well any way, and the original crowd and commentator reactions help make it so fun to watch).
a lot of games from the GSI might be good too since it was during tasteless' prime as a caster and also had good crowd reactions and whatnot (as well as a really epic 5-game final between stork and flash).
Going to second GGPlay vs Iris, game 5 on Python of the Daum OSL.
Edit: Rewatching it, I still don't know how the crap GGPlay pulled that game off. Right up until Iris falls apart at the end (which was largely a matter of the ultras coming out), it looks like GGPlay is just barely hanging on even with all the insane swarms and plagues he's pulling off.
My vote is for that semi recent game of Bisu v Jaedong on Judgement day? That shit was epic. it was during proleague r5, skt v oz set 3? or something. cant quite remember
(you know, trying to think of a good recent game, rather than a tried n true classic)
On August 10 2010 06:02 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Lol this reminds me of when Ryan Rushia was watching the finals last weekend and me and Rael were explaining everything. "What's that orange cloud thing?"
Idk about BW being a better spectator sport than SC2 tho. I have watched 1000's of BW games and 1000's of SC2 games and I think Sc2 is a SLIGHTLY better spectator sport.
Lol Sc2 is such a joke compared to BW
Agreed, I've watched SC2 and i just cannot contemplate how anyone could not think that BW is vastly superior spectator sport right now. Anyway, some good games:
Bisu vs Iris Game 5 on byzantium 3 (sick sick comeback) Bisu vs Yellow on HBR (epic game + crowd flipping out) GGPlay vs Iris OSL finals game 5 (such a great game of bio TvZ and the fact that GGPlay did a reverse sweep) Jaedong vs Movie Byzantium 3 (JD expertly holding off the timing rushes again and again with so few units) Flash vs Jaedong on RH3/Loki (high level TvZ and close games, what else to say) fOrGG vs Stork on Athena (sick timing push and comeback, some really intense points) Leta vs Jaedong on Outsider (Mutalisk vs Wraith micro, high level micro game + great play overall)
On August 10 2010 06:02 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Lol this reminds me of when Ryan Rushia was watching the finals last weekend and me and Rael were explaining everything. "What's that orange cloud thing?"
Idk about BW being a better spectator sport than SC2 tho. I have watched 1000's of BW games and 1000's of SC2 games and I think Sc2 is a SLIGHTLY better spectator sport.
Lol Sc2 is such a joke compared to BW
Agreed, I've watched SC2 and i just cannot contemplate how anyone could not think that BW is vastly superior spectator sport right now. Anyway, some good games:
Bisu vs Iris Game 5 on byzantium 3 (sick sick comeback) Bisu vs Yellow on HBR (epic game + crowd flipping out) GGPlay vs Iris OSL finals game 5 (such a great game of bio TvZ and the fact that GGPlay did a reverse sweep) Jaedong vs Movie Byzantium 3 (JD expertly holding off the timing rushes again and again with so few units) Flash vs Jaedong on RH3/Loki (high level TvZ and close games, what else to say) fOrGG vs Stork on Athena (sick timing push and comeback, some really intense points) Leta vs Jaedong on Outsider (Mutalisk vs Wraith micro, high level micro game + great play overall)
Savior vs Iris game 5 on Neo Arkanoid Boxer vs Oov 2004 EVER OSL whole series Stork vs GGplay on andromeda Jaedong vs KaL on byzantium (2 hatch spire into scourge into double expand, the first time it was used I think)
EDIT: UpMaGiC vs Nal_ra on Nemesis sick sick MnM vs Reaver micro
what kind of friend are you, trying to force him to get into a 10+yr old game when the new and improved one is out??
sc2 is far superior for the actual act of watching a game. you can zoom in on battles, see all sorts of shit that you needed penguin to see back in bw and what not... it's pretty much not even debatable that SC2>BW for watching games.
On August 10 2010 22:44 Hawk wrote: what kind of friend are you, trying to force him to get into a 10+yr old game when the new and improved one is out??
sc2 is far superior for the actual act of watching a game. you can zoom in on battles, see all sorts of shit that you needed penguin to see back in bw and what not... it's pretty much not even debatable that SC2>BW for watching games.
On August 10 2010 20:37 konadora wrote: Bisu vs YellOw on HBR obviously
I was gonna say that..when this thread was first posted but last time I mentioned it in a thread similar to this I got bashed
I think the most exciting thing about that game was Yellow beating a powerhouse like Bisu..and a newbie wouldn't know who yellow is and the significance of him beating bisu..so yeah
EPT
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