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On July 14 2010 19:58 shindigs wrote:
Stereotype that asian people emphasize education the most?
All stereotypes are based on some kernal of truth and countless observations. Asians are good at math. Russians like vodka, African Americans like fried chicken, Canadians are nice and say eh a lot. While such stereotypes are not true for everyone, the reason such statements exist and continue to exist is that people have constently and consistenly witnessed these stereotypes in real life.
If I tried to stereotype everyone who are Guido/Guidettes from Jersey as being normal non douche bag people, how long do you think it will last?
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On July 15 2010 23:44 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 19:58 shindigs wrote:
Stereotype that asian people emphasize education the most? All stereotypes are based on some kernal of truth and countless observations. Asians are good at math. Russians like vodka, African Americans like fried chicken, Canadians are nice and say eh a lot. While such stereotypes are not true for everyone, the reason such statements exist and continue to exist is that people have constently and consistenly witnessed these stereotypes in real life. If I tried to stereotype everyone who are Guido/Guidettes from Jersey as being normal non douche bag people, how long do you think it will last?
How are countless observations supposed to verify "truth" or "fact" when the observations themselves are only observed during a certain time frame and within a constrained location and at the same time are enforced indirectly by the same people that set up the stereotypes in the first place? How about counting other factors that can/cannot be exactly taken into account by reductionism, while the number of counter-Hypothesis's and counter-observations are not wholly taken into taken account and weighed out with what is perceived to be "true"?
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Not all korean students in Korea are workaholic or school-oriented. The ones that do play in internet cafes, that end up choosing progaming as a career, etc etc are the ones that REALLY play. There are of course people in the middle of the road, but the ones that like to game usually do a lot and the ones that study will study a lot.
to be honest I wish the american education system would have an ounce of koreanness in it. Our students as a whole are losing the idea of hard work and the "no pain no gain" mentality.
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I wish the American education system does NEVER get the Koreanness everyone believes it deserves. It teaches little creativity, blind-obedience of authority and a two-dimensional outlook on life. Saying American students are losing the value of hard work is debatable depending on what spectrum of the American class system you are as well as which state you occupy. "Hard work" doesn't really mean shit in the grand scheme of things since anyone can define it differently depending on their upbringing, and its not like its going to be effective in the long run since Industries and ideas are always changing rapidly and our understanding of the human brain is undergoing a revolution. Busy work isn't going to teach students to appreciate the complexity of the universe and critical thinking in solving life's daily problems. Indoctrination, servitude, disciplinary-style education is an ill-thought out reductionist approach that fails to accomplish what it set outs for. Its only going to temporarily treat the symptoms of unintellectual ism and people you would define as uneducated.
What I wish kids would learn instead, is to accept the notion of failure, the value of humility and being intellectual, science and the scientific approach, character, the idea of taking risks and accepting its consequences, self-confidence and respecting others, the importance of being independent critical thinkers, going against fear and being impulsive, courage and leadership, cooperation, the importance of community and reaching out, bringing out new ideas and having the guts to carry them, being accepting and open, following their passions and finally challenge common-sense and our understanding of the world. Kids needs these skills more then the value of useless "hard work" (which is hard to objectively define). Putting them under the mechanical and closed system that I would define as the "Asian" system, which teaches them instead to outsmart and game the school system, hinders future progress and sets these kids up for failure in life and in dealing with personal emotional and intellectual issues. In this new age of change they need the skills I mentioned more then ever and you are not going to get that in the Asian system. Take into account how complicated problems are in America, and how much of a gap there is between the different classes and you have an education system that fails to take into account these factors, and only pushing a system that will end up not working and not adapting to the environment the disciplinarian system seeks to change. I mean being an educated and a disciplined thinker is not being able to pass tests, do a lot of busy work and crap. It means understanding the workings of this world as well taking into account the vastness and diversity of it and our sense of being human and what we can do to improve and contribute to society IMO.
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Yeah, except the system that westerners snort at is beating them. The system that produces and builds work ethic and perseverance among Korean and Japanese students is the same system that produces the workers that are kicking our asses in the auto industry, shipping industry, alternative energy industry, and electronics industry, and many more industries to come if the current american work ethic stays this way.
The american system does not push the students enough, it does not teach them the meaning of hard work, and add to that the stigma of being "smart". Our emphasis on sports and athleticism and being "accepted" is really just screwing the country over in the long run.
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On July 14 2010 15:32 exeexe wrote:
Uuuhh who do we have here. Its that slippery, deceptive B Obama. You know what, thats some tough propaganda right there, ofcourse the US president is informed about whats going on in South Korea. Obama must have studied Hitler, like Hitler would have said similar things about the people from Austria. I beleived he called the Austrians übermenschen (elite people).
Dont beleive that shit... just dont....
uh?...
Just because he isn't aware of the relatively obscure video game culture of South Korea (most people you asked on the street wouldn't be aware of the popularity of progaming there) doesn't exactly mean he's trying to trick anyone... How can he be even slightly compared to Hitler?
He's admiring their education system and at least he isn't so blind as to believe that the US is perfect in every aspect as many republicans seem to do.
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