EPTedit: I'm not condoning his behaviour; if he knows he hit it, the only reason he should have gotten out is for common courtesy for life and for the fact that the animal may be a pet of someone's and could have been taken to a vet.
I saw a cat get hit by a car a few minutes ago - Page 3
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Masamune
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edit: I'm not condoning his behaviour; if he knows he hit it, the only reason he should have gotten out is for common courtesy for life and for the fact that the animal may be a pet of someone's and could have been taken to a vet. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:45 Masamune wrote: The capacity to suffer, enjoy life, and feel pain? Closeness to humans? Moths aren't social creatures that humans love and keep as pets? What's really the difference between a cat and a moth? From what it sounds like, this cat died pretty soon after it go hit. Was the guy who hit it supposed to light a funeral pyre or something? lol | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:45 Masamune wrote: What's really the difference between a cat and a moth? From what it sounds like, this cat died pretty soon after it go hit. Was the guy who hit it supposed to light a funeral pyre or something? If I hit a cat I would probably check if there was any possibility that a vet might be able to save it, maybe see if it obviously belongs to some nearby house etc. I want to think most people wouldn't just keep driving, but you're probably right about that. | ||
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Masamune
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Masamune
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On June 23 2010 11:47 Romantic wrote: The capacity to suffer, enjoy life, and feel pain? Closeness to humans? Moths aren't social creatures that humans love and keep as pets? lol Are you saying the more social a species is, the more valuable it is, too? | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:50 Masamune wrote: There's nothing wrong with his response, but animals are animals. How can you say a mammal is worth more than an arthropod? Easily? This is some philosophical haven where intellect is paramount. It's simple - we grow up all our lives , some with cats as pets, and seeing cats as cute and friendly little guys. Some people don't like them so much. Moths are much more universally loathed, and our culture places little to no value on insects. Do you live in a vacuum? Edit : Also, Nukethestars _never_ held a grudge against the driver. There should be no debate about that part. On June 23 2010 11:28 Romantic wrote: Jesus Christ someone like you ALWAYS has to post. Do you give a lecture to everyone who has an emotion? This too!! Can't we just come together over the OPs stress. LETS JUST FUCKING LOVE EACH OTHER | ||
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n.DieJokes
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Masamune
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On June 23 2010 11:51 ella_guru wrote: Easily? This is some philosophical haven where intellect is paramount. It's simple - we grow up all our lives , some with cats as pets, and seeing cats as cute and friendly little guys. Some people don't like them so much. Moths are much more universally loathed, and our culture places little to no value on insects. Do you live in a vacuum? Edit : Also, Nukethestars _never_ held a grudge against the driver. There should be no debate about that part. This too!! Can't we just come together over the OPs stress. LETS JUST FUCKING LOVE EACH OTHER lol? I already stated in my earlier post that we have a natural bias towards, cute, fury animals. You could say from an evolutionary standpoint, we may feel more for a mammal because it's more closely related to us genetically. Socially, we do grow up with them, yes. Where the fuck have I said he was wrong for being mad that the cat died? All I'm trying to get across is that it's a fucking cat. Yes, it died a painful and horrible death. Now why don't you go on some mission to Africa feeding the HUMANS (cause apparently, there is some hierarchy in how much sympathy animals should get) that are suffering from chronic hunger? @RageOverdose I can't respond back in this thread...I don't know if the OP banned me from it or the mods (this will be my last response in it as I feel I should be able to defend myself fairly) but you need to read the thread over. I wasn't trying to be malicious or anything. I sympathize with the cat and the sad feelings. I posted the "it's a fucking cat" comment in response to the hypocrisy in this thread regarding the value of life, not in response to the OP. My main gripe with the OP and others in this thread was the collective annoyance towards the driver that did the right thing and whom decided it would be better not to be antagonized by some naive kids. Yeah, if he stopped he could have saved the cat, as demonstrated by our lovely OP. The reaction would have been much worse if he swirved into a toddler instead, trying to avoid the cat. The OP already mentions that he only stopped on his driveway for a few minutes--how long would he have waited if he saw a child crushed? And no, I'm not going to go to Africa because my family already donates to causes like that. I was merely making a point that people who are outraged over my comments about a moth and a cat, and who seemingly have this magical hierarchy of animal value in their heads, probably flip past World Vision commercials to catch re-runs of Friends, while eating their forest-destroying hamburgers and wearing Nike apparel, made in third-world countries. I realize my existence has probably lead to much more brutal treatment and death towards all forms of life--and I don't pretend like it doesn't. Life to me is equal. Apparently to the hypocrites in this thread, it is not, and they'd rather cry over a dead cat in comparison to a moth, while at the same time feasting on the flesh of animals who would have wished to be in the place of that cat, as opposed to the hell they call a cage. @ella_guru Yes, life to me is equal, but that doesn't mean that I care about them equally, and I don't pretend that I do. The OP annoyed me because he mentioned in a later post that he was annoyed the driver didn't stop to check on the cat, because apparently, the driver should have the same values on life that he does. It's actually kinda ironic that the OP is arguing with me that the cat is superior to the moth, while at the same time, mad at the driver who made the right decision in reducing human harm over the harm to the cat (whether intentional or not). | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:02 Lightwip wrote: I see why you chose 'idiot' for your name. The unfortunate thing is that however bad it is for you, it is probably worse for the family that owned the cat. Oh please, far worse stuff have happened where people have made far cruder jokes and I'm pretty sure you laughed at a few. Sucks for Nuke and it is hard to deal, but you need to stop being an appropriate humor nazi and learn to deal. | ||
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RageOverdose
United States690 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:58 Masamune wrote: lol? I already stated in my earlier post that we have a natural bias towards, cute, fury animals. You could say from an evolutionary standpoint, we may feel more for a mammal because it's more closely related to us genetically. Socially, we do grow up with them, yes. Where the fuck have I said he was wrong for being mad that the cat died? All I'm trying to get across is that it's a fucking cat. Yes, it died a painful and horrible death. Now why don't you go on some mission to Africa feeding the HUMANS (cause apparently, there is some hierarchy in how much sympathy animals get) that are suffering from chronic hunger? Why aren't you there, instead of posting here? Nuke felt really bad about it, and I don't see anything wrong with people trying to be compassionate towards him and attempting to defend him when you make comments like what's in bold that seemingly contradict your claim that you don't think anything is wrong with his response. Because it looks like you do have a problem with the fact he's upset about a cat dying in front of him. Why would you be posting these things otherwise? So, you are being very hard to understand because you are seemingly contradicting yourself right after you say something. | ||
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BlackJack
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 23 2010 11:58 Masamune wrote: lol? I already stated in my earlier post that we have a natural bias towards, cute, fury animals. You could say from an evolutionary standpoint, we may feel more for a mammal because it's more closely related to us genetically. Socially, we do grow up with them, yes. Where the fuck have I said he was wrong for being mad that the cat died? All I'm trying to get across is that it's a fucking cat. Yes, it died a painful and horrible death. Now why don't you go on some mission to Africa feeding the HUMANS (cause apparently, there is some hierarchy in how much sympathy animals get) that are suffering from chronic hunger? Cats blow I agree, it's just this part I was talking about.. How can you say a mammal is worth more than an arthropod? But masamune my bro, lets not fight. We seem to be on the same page too.  I think we can both agree that most people have something like this People > Animals >People that don't live within 100 KM of us > insects > + Show Spoiler + zerg | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 23 2010 12:02 BlackJack wrote: One time my brother and I were driving home to our parent's house for spring break and there was a huge traffic jam with helicopters and crushed cars. When I got home I googled what had happened. Some guy had swerved to avoid hitting a dog and wrecked his car, which caused traffic to back up. Then a truck driver not paying attention that traffic was backed up slams into the backed up traffic. 4 people died, including 2 from my school. Moral of the story: just hit the animal and get over it. I think the real moral is "Pay attention to the traffic". How do you miss something like that? Of course I can't drive, so maybe I'm missing something. At the same time, it is better to just hit a small animal alot of the times especially if your in a traffic area. You should stop of course, but only swerve if your SURE your by yourself. | ||
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
To be honest, reading the scattered troll posts in here has largely taken my mind off the accident.. so, thanks? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10499 Posts
On June 23 2010 12:02 ella_guru wrote: People > Animals >People that don't live within 100 KM of us > insects > + Show Spoiler + zerg Spoiler alert! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + People are animals+ Show Spoiler + So are insects | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
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I saw a pack of big dogs fighting with 1 cat. It was so horrible but I thought they are just playing..I mean, I didn't expect it to be fatal....Ah, hard to describe my feelings, it is they are fighting fierce but because I have never seen dog kill cat before so I never expect it to happen. So I watch, I thought I should do something, but it was late at night so I didn't do anything. Then suddenly the quarrel stopped. And I saw 1 dog biting the neck of the cat. I became so nevous I screamed. Then the dog seems to know they did something bad, they ran in very organised manner to the other side of the road. Some kind of straight line with 1 dog leading. I looked at the cat, his arms and body still jerk at some interval, I think he is alive and need immediate help. But I don't know what to do.. Usually I don't stay so late playing games, but my roomate wasn't at home that night. So I am alone and feel lost. I wanted to go down to see the cat condition but I am afraid it is very gruesome. I am afraid of blood. I am also afraid the gang of dogs might come back and bite my neck or something. I tried to forget about it, play computer game. Then I feel so inhumane.. like , death just occured and I can still play game.. Ah..I feel like a bad girl. It kept troubling me ever since. Now I am trying to me more matured, more understanding, I mean....sensible? I always have a feeling other people would have know what to do during crisis and I am just feeling lost and helpless all the time. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On June 23 2010 10:17 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: So what is the cause of your sadness over the incident? The fact that an animal died, or the fact that the owners will be upset? I realize that witnessing such a thing happening first hand feels different, but you might want to think about the animals that die when you eat meat. Unless you are a vegetarian of course. Btw, I'm not a vegetarian, I just think it's irrational for people to feel so much pity watching an animal die first hand when millions are butchered for our pleasure every year. I'm pretty sure there is also a 'you die if you don't eat' aspect to it as well, not just pleasure. I could be mistaken though. | ||
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On June 23 2010 12:22 Lemonwalrus wrote: I'm pretty sure there is also a 'you die if you don't eat' aspect to it as well, not just pleasure. I could be mistaken though. Lemon! You just invited more shit to this already shitty party. | ||
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VeRy
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