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Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
June 05 2010 11:51 GMT
#61
Hey man, it's not racist, but nothing you can be persecuted for. To be honest follow your gut. Even if they weren't black, they could have been white or even asian or mexican....as long as you had that gut feeling something isn't right, or you feel like they will cause trouble for you since its that late at night--you had the right instincts.

We're all a little racist in a way, but stereotypes just didn't invent themselves imo, they were fed and fed and fed until finally we are more prone to believe the natural trend than differentiate right away.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 12:30:23
June 05 2010 11:55 GMT
#62
On June 05 2010 18:56 itzme_petey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 16:19 Jumperer wrote:


While i hate posts that just have a youtube video. I really want to thank jumperer for posting the vid.

The overwhelming majority support my actions and do not think I am a racist. I feel that my perception of my neighborhood (mainly minorities) is contrasted by the normality of a white neighborhood. Is my neighborhood even that ghetto? Or is it because there are alot of minorities that makes it ghetto.

The two black males that walked towards my gf and I, they appeared ghetto only because they had on clothing I deemed as ghetto. One guy wore jeans and a wifebeater and the other shorts and a t-shirt (over sized and old). If those same clothes appeared on a college student in Austin, Tx (my usual residence), I wouldnt think the clothes are too ghetto (even if they were on a black student).

I think the media, my own fears, and insecurities formed the idea that poor/ghetto = dangerous. The only thing those two black men were guilty of were being 1. Poor 2. Black 3. Walking together.

However, if given a second chance, I would still follow my instincts and walk the other way. Its funny how I can justify my actions by telling myself that... in a corporate world situation I would treat a black person the same as a white person. However, in the regular world, if the black guy had "ghetto" clothes on and was poor, then he would be dangerous and threaten my livelihood. Whereas if a white guy had ghetto clothes and was poor, he would probably be only a beggar.

I'm not afraid of whether or not I am the type of racist that shouts out offensive things out of my car or whatever. I am not that type of person. However, I am afraid that I might be the type of person that discriminates subconsciously and therefore adds to the systematic racism that still exists today.

The overwhelming majority of TL don't know a lot of things they post about.

You had a reaction of aversive racism. The majority of discrimination that occurs in the US today is aversive. A similar thing is not looking at and feeling uncomfortable when talking to disabled people. Or putting your hands in your pocket when you walk past a black person. These are subconscious reactions based on how you've been socialized.

The good news is that you were paying attention, caught it, and now you can actively try to change your behavior in the future. Don't worry, everyone does it. It's impossible to be perfectly immune to it.

People are going to justify it based on the setting and clothes, but I'd be willing to bet if it were two white boys dressed like that, you would've been fine and then you would've laughed at how ridiculous they looked. Maybe you still would've been scared because of the time and setting, but it'd be less severe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05kristof.html?em
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
June 05 2010 11:57 GMT
#63
How fucking ridiculous are things getting that when two dodgy black guys approach you at midnight in the ghetto and you avoid the situation you have some kind of moral crisis and worry/need assurance about whether you are racist or not...

No you're not racist you're just not an idiot.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
June 05 2010 12:09 GMT
#64
If you saw 2 white people dressed like thugs you would do the same thing, judging by appearance is not always bad just you can't be too extreme in judgments
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 05 2010 12:33 GMT
#65
Take the biggest anti-racism activist, put him in the same situation and see how he reacts.
Nothing to feel bad about. Seriously this whole racism thing should be put to rest.

How come there's no 'racism' between people of different eye color?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 05 2010 12:57 GMT
#66
On June 05 2010 21:33 niteReloaded wrote:
How come there's no 'racism' between people of different eye color?

Unbelievable.
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
June 05 2010 13:08 GMT
#67
The very fact that you're worried about whether or not you're racist sorta is testament to the fact that you're not racist.

Don't worry. I think the right word is more of "stereotyping", because of judging based on appearances. But you know, it's fine.
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Ramsing
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada233 Posts
June 05 2010 13:18 GMT
#68
On June 05 2010 20:55 Jibba wrote:
The good news is that you were paying attention, caught it, and now you can actively try to change your behavior in the future. Don't worry, everyone does it. It's impossible to be perfectly immune to it.


Are you out of your mind? There's nothing worse then taking that approach into a potentially hostile situation.

If you do not feel safe, then you are not safe. Do what you think will minimize your potential risk in that kind of a situation. You did the right thing, and at this point you're just over-thinking what happened. Ask yourself what would have happened if you had not taken the action you did? Would you have been safer to have ignored those fundamental feelings? You felt those for a damned good reason, and you're short-changing yourself if you think that the next time you should have acted differently. In short, do not ignore your instincts: they will keep you alive and well, whereas taking the high road will rarely do the same.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 13:29:39
June 05 2010 13:25 GMT
#69
On June 05 2010 20:55 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 18:56 itzme_petey wrote:
On June 05 2010 16:19 Jumperer wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ8xQPdjJfM


While i hate posts that just have a youtube video. I really want to thank jumperer for posting the vid.

The overwhelming majority support my actions and do not think I am a racist. I feel that my perception of my neighborhood (mainly minorities) is contrasted by the normality of a white neighborhood. Is my neighborhood even that ghetto? Or is it because there are alot of minorities that makes it ghetto.

The two black males that walked towards my gf and I, they appeared ghetto only because they had on clothing I deemed as ghetto. One guy wore jeans and a wifebeater and the other shorts and a t-shirt (over sized and old). If those same clothes appeared on a college student in Austin, Tx (my usual residence), I wouldnt think the clothes are too ghetto (even if they were on a black student).

I think the media, my own fears, and insecurities formed the idea that poor/ghetto = dangerous. The only thing those two black men were guilty of were being 1. Poor 2. Black 3. Walking together.

However, if given a second chance, I would still follow my instincts and walk the other way. Its funny how I can justify my actions by telling myself that... in a corporate world situation I would treat a black person the same as a white person. However, in the regular world, if the black guy had "ghetto" clothes on and was poor, then he would be dangerous and threaten my livelihood. Whereas if a white guy had ghetto clothes and was poor, he would probably be only a beggar.

I'm not afraid of whether or not I am the type of racist that shouts out offensive things out of my car or whatever. I am not that type of person. However, I am afraid that I might be the type of person that discriminates subconsciously and therefore adds to the systematic racism that still exists today.

The overwhelming majority of TL don't know a lot of things they post about.

You had a reaction of aversive racism. The majority of discrimination that occurs in the US today is aversive. A similar thing is not looking at and feeling uncomfortable when talking to disabled people. Or putting your hands in your pocket when you walk past a black person. These are subconscious reactions based on how you've been socialized.

The good news is that you were paying attention, caught it, and now you can actively try to change your behavior in the future. Don't worry, everyone does it. It's impossible to be perfectly immune to it.

People are going to justify it based on the setting and clothes, but I'd be willing to bet if it were two white boys dressed like that, you would've been fine and then you would've laughed at how ridiculous they looked. Maybe you still would've been scared because of the time and setting, but it'd be less severe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05kristof.html?em



Just wow..
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neVern
Profile Joined January 2010
United States115 Posts
June 05 2010 13:31 GMT
#70
You shouldn't consider yourself a racist. You wouldn't want to be around whites who dressed like that I bet in the middle of the night. Although you did over react most likely.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 05 2010 13:34 GMT
#71
On June 05 2010 22:18 Ramsing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 20:55 Jibba wrote:
The good news is that you were paying attention, caught it, and now you can actively try to change your behavior in the future. Don't worry, everyone does it. It's impossible to be perfectly immune to it.


Are you out of your mind? There's nothing worse then taking that approach into a potentially hostile situation.

If you do not feel safe, then you are not safe. Do what you think will minimize your potential risk in that kind of a situation. You did the right thing, and at this point you're just over-thinking what happened. Ask yourself what would have happened if you had not taken the action you did? Would you have been safer to have ignored those fundamental feelings? You felt those for a damned good reason, and you're short-changing yourself if you think that the next time you should have acted differently. In short, do not ignore your instincts: they will keep you alive and well, whereas taking the high road will rarely do the same.
This is like the anatomy of fascism.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
June 05 2010 13:35 GMT
#72
if it's "fascist," so be it
you are telling us to ignore the very human instincts for self-preservation
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 05 2010 13:42 GMT
#73
It's not truly instinct, since it's conditioned, and the vast majority of modern society is based off of challenging "instinct." For your grandparents, "instinct" was that a black man shouldn't be left alone with a white woman.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
June 05 2010 13:48 GMT
#74
you are just arguing semantics
it is our instinct to do things that will maximize our survival
we learn to do this by taking in knowledge (conditioned, if you really want to say)
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valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
June 05 2010 13:49 GMT
#75
This is not racism. Survival instinct based on your previous experiences and merely caution.
Racism is when you do not serve food in your restaurant to black ppl because they are black and you didn't have any previous problem with black ppl before.
ggaemo fan
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
June 05 2010 13:51 GMT
#76
nah, it IS racism
but people have been drilled into their heads that "racism is omg so bad"
racism is completely reasonable and a natural human response
of course, not giving an individual any chance because of his skin color is different and wrong
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
June 05 2010 13:52 GMT
#77
lol, if 2 ghetto looking white guys in a rough neighbourhood walked up to me I'd be worried
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SoManyDeadLings
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada255 Posts
June 05 2010 14:03 GMT
#78
So surprised this hasn't been posted yet:

[image loading]
wsrgry
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
June 05 2010 14:05 GMT
#79
what is racist?
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 05 2010 14:07 GMT
#80
I would be careful of any guy from any race walking around at midnight. If you feel threatened in any way at all, it's better to take a safer course of action. This has a lot more to do with feeling safe than feeling racist.
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