On June 03 2010 13:59 Malgrif wrote: what's the difference between real hip hop and fake hip hop? sorry i'm a noob at music =(
Listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne and then listen to the songs on this thread. If you can't tell the difference then you're not ready to see the matrix, or hip hop might just not be your thing.
The difference is a combination of production quality, % of hit-worthy songs and some talent. They may have a lot of stuff that you consider too mainstream or pop, but to deny that they can put together great hip hop songs is absurd.
I haven't followed underground hip hop in a long time but I agree with this. The subject matter doesn't determine the quality of a song. Kool G Rap with his mafioso style were some of the best rap from the 90s and also deeply influential to most of today's mainstream rap. You can argue guys like lil wayne are average in their craft as MCs but I'm sure that's not what he cares about. The production of mainstream hip hop nowadays is as good if not better than underground production if only because major studios use better equipment.
What I've always hated have been underground guys who pretend they're on a higher level, have better artistic ethics whether in their efforts to bring back the old school and whatever shit they chant or to rid hip hop of its materialistic culture, so that those guys can try to convince you they make better music when in fact although a lot of underground artists may be talented, most of the saviors of hip hop types are far from qualified to deride all of mainstream on the grounds of its supposed poor "artistic" quality, as if rapping about slanging and bitches shaking their booties automatically makes the track drivel because its subject matter is indecent.
Again I do think many of the multi platinum rappers have average talent but I think the same for many many many of the popular underground "true" hip hop artists.
@Jibba, Slug in his earlier albums is probably the most self-deprecating rapper ever.
On June 03 2010 14:18 Gann1 wrote: edit: No love for 3 Feet High and Rising, Jon? It's my favorite De La Soul album!
It has its moments, but De La are really inexperienced on the mic and it shows.
Also, the concept part of the album doesn't work, making like 25% of the album unbearable skits that don't really coalesce into anything. The good shit is good, but overall they'd improve on almost everything with De La Soul Is Dead.
Edit: sorry for the triple post. :\
Can you clarify about the inexperience part? I haven't listened to their albums in so long but 3 feet high sounded pretty good as I remember. I realize people are divided over de la soul is dead but just to have the concept for a concept album at that time in hip hop was pretty amazing imo.
On June 03 2010 13:59 Malgrif wrote: what's the difference between real hip hop and fake hip hop? sorry i'm a noob at music =(
Listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne and then listen to the songs on this thread. If you can't tell the difference then you're not ready to see the matrix, or hip hop might just not be your thing.
On June 03 2010 13:59 Malgrif wrote: what's the difference between real hip hop and fake hip hop? sorry i'm a noob at music =(
Listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne and then listen to the songs on this thread. If you can't tell the difference then you're not ready to see the matrix, or hip hop might just not be your thing.
I like Kanye, (atleast i used to like him )
Some of his old stuff actually had meaning, and I felt I could relate to it.
But IMO his new stuff is only good for dancing at a club and shit, but not casual listening..
On June 03 2010 13:59 Malgrif wrote: what's the difference between real hip hop and fake hip hop? sorry i'm a noob at music =(
Listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne and then listen to the songs on this thread. If you can't tell the difference then you're not ready to see the matrix, or hip hop might just not be your thing.
I like Kanye, (atleast i used to like him )
Some of his old stuff actually had meaning, and I felt I could relate to it.
But IMO his new stuff is only good for dancing at a club and shit, but not casual listening..
808 wasn't really a dance album, it was an emo album that got turned into that. Kinda like Kid Cudi stuff. I don't think his new single is great, but it sounds like he's going back to Dropout territory, plus he samples King Crimson which always deserves props.
On June 03 2010 13:59 Malgrif wrote: what's the difference between real hip hop and fake hip hop? sorry i'm a noob at music =(
Listen to Kanye or Lil Wayne and then listen to the songs on this thread. If you can't tell the difference then you're not ready to see the matrix, or hip hop might just not be your thing.
I like Kanye, (atleast i used to like him )
Some of his old stuff actually had meaning, and I felt I could relate to it.
But IMO his new stuff is only good for dancing at a club and shit, but not casual listening..
808 wasn't really a dance album, it was an emo album that got turned into that. Kinda like Kid Cudi stuff. I don't think his new single is great, but it sounds like he's going back to Dropout territory, plus he samples King Crimson which always deserves props.
I assume you're talking about Power, it is OK, but his voice seems too high pitched, I say either use fucking autotune or do it the old way. And yes songs like Heartless are my musical guilty pleasure, seriously I like it alot O_O, when it seems to go against everything I enjoy musically.
Yeah, there are certain parts that bug me about Power, but at least it evens out at the end.
I guess the nice thing about "underground" rap is that it's caused everyone to start putting out more free mixtapes. Like, I think that new Soulja Boy thing sucks but at least no one has to pay for it, and there are a lot of really good ones out there.
i was on that site the other day and laughed about how much of it applies to me, especially this one
I would say that was funny, and I laughed a bit at first because it applied in some ways to me, too...But I took a bit of offense to it. First of all, whether comedic or not, that post was totally untrue. I listen to jazz because I'm a musician who appreciates incredibly complex and interesting styles of play. I get a high off of the key and timing changes that are obviously apparent alongside the amazing melodies... I love listening to Dave Brubeck and such. And the reason I'm into these 2 bands isn't because I wanted to be a part of a specific community. It was because these are 2 of only a few really good underground Hip-Hop artists. I stayed away from the genre because the violence, drug references, and crude nature of the lyrics in so many rap / hip-hop songs. All it ever did was make me angry. I love the Blue Scholars and Common Market because the lyrics are anything but that. Much of the music is about life in general, referring to many different aspects of growing up wherever you may be... in the Blue Scholar's case, it's South Seattle. Really, I'm open to any kind of music as long as it's good. I love independent rock. I love jazz. I love blues. My taste goes from The Beatles, to the blue scholars, to Jimi Hendrix, to the Postal service, to Dave Brubeck, to death cab for cutie, to elliott smith, to common market and many more.. its just a lot of different stuff. I'm sure you were just posting that for the heck of it, but I still can't appreciate the post too much because of the gratuitous amount of ignorance attached to it. Sorry if I bothered you with my rambling.. It's not even you... i just can't appreciate that website at all
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