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[SPOILERS] Reflecting on Flash - Page 2

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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
May 22 2010 21:24 GMT
#21
Flash was supposed to own Effort, get his golden mouse, then lose to JDong again.

His dreams of a golden mouse and double-league victory may never be attained, all that is left to earn is revenge.

[blink]>REVENGE>[/blink] (what, no blink tags? what is this, the dark ages?)
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
Effort_FTW
Profile Joined May 2010
United States79 Posts
May 22 2010 21:25 GMT
#22
On May 23 2010 06:24 mmp wrote:
Flash was supposed to own Effort, get his golden mouse, then lose to JDong again.

His dreams of a golden mouse and double-league victory may never be attained, all that is left to earn is revenge.

[blink]>REVENGE>[/blink] (what, no blink tags? what is this, the dark ages?)


Cheesy blink tags were a part of the dark ages.
I was at the club one night (one night) That's when I saw some hype (saw some hype) She looked kinda thoed to me (she looked kinda thoed yeah!!)
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
May 22 2010 21:31 GMT
#23
On May 23 2010 06:25 Effort_FTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 06:24 mmp wrote:
Flash was supposed to own Effort, get his golden mouse, then lose to JDong again.

His dreams of a golden mouse and double-league victory may never be attained, all that is left to earn is revenge.

[blink]>REVENGE>[/blink] (what, no blink tags? what is this, the dark ages?)


Cheesy blink tags were a part of the dark ages.


Wrong, they were a part of the Internet's Middle Ages. Then the Enlightenment came and the W3C deprecated them, but they're still displayed in most browsers.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
May 22 2010 21:53 GMT
#24
i guess flash didn't learn his lesson against ggplay when 14ccing

twice
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
ClanOverdosed
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
691 Posts
May 22 2010 22:19 GMT
#25
Okay, my theory is that Flash gulped down an energy drink before the fight, but because of the hardware problems and the delay resultying from it, the energy drink didn't last long enough and theresfore he crashed in the last few games.
Overdosed--www.overdosed.net
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
May 22 2010 22:21 GMT
#26
On May 23 2010 06:23 PH wrote:
effort luckboxed like none other. Flash was careless for two seconds in game three at a time where it shouldn't have even mattered and he wouldn't normally have had to have been careful which lost him the game. Effort's lings just happened to be at the right place.

Then Flash basically threw that next game, trying to cheese with that stupid BBS. It was over from the start. There was nothing interesting about that game, just effort's extraordinary luck in sending his overlord to the cross position.

The last game saw effort abusing the fact that flash would most definitely play safe and standard in the last set. It was a great move that worked out for him.

There was nothing particularly special about this series. The first two sets showed just how great Flash is, the third and fourth showed how a bit of bad luck can completely screw over even the best player in the world, and the fifth set showed once again that Flash can be pretty predictable.


LOL Luckboxed
hahahahahahahaahhaahhahahahaahahahahah
Moderator<:3-/-<
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
May 22 2010 22:26 GMT
#27
On May 23 2010 07:21 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 06:23 PH wrote:
effort luckboxed like none other. Flash was careless for two seconds in game three at a time where it shouldn't have even mattered and he wouldn't normally have had to have been careful which lost him the game. Effort's lings just happened to be at the right place.

Then Flash basically threw that next game, trying to cheese with that stupid BBS. It was over from the start. There was nothing interesting about that game, just effort's extraordinary luck in sending his overlord to the cross position.

The last game saw effort abusing the fact that flash would most definitely play safe and standard in the last set. It was a great move that worked out for him.

There was nothing particularly special about this series. The first two sets showed just how great Flash is, the third and fourth showed how a bit of bad luck can completely screw over even the best player in the world, and the fifth set showed once again that Flash can be pretty predictable.


LOL Luckboxed
hahahahahahahaahhaahhahahahaahahahahah

Yeah I think Flash is easily the better player and it's true that game 1 and 2 impressed me more in the solidness of the victories, but you have to hand it to effort, he played smart and he played well. I think saying he 'got lucky' from sending an overlord to scout for cheese is a bit rich. And Flash cheesing and it going wrong is hardly a mistake. It didn't work - he lost. If he'd won he'd be being praised for it ;p.
I wouldn't take away Flash's awesome scans by putting them down to luck and I don't think Effort's intuitive and superior play in games 3-5 should be discounted lightly as luck either.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
May 22 2010 22:27 GMT
#28
Effort's lings just happened to be at the right place.

You actually believe that? Like seriously? "Oops built too many lings, I'll just keep them a small distance away from the number of lings a zerg usually would have"
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 22 2010 22:47 GMT
#29
This is why I hate when people get so caught up in player hype. I know as a fan that's easy to do, but you have to stay in tune with reality. Flash has never once been "beyond bonjwa" and when I take a look at his individual league results, I've always seen "bonjwa hopeful" rather than "transcendent beyond our four past bonjwas."

What Flash is doing is very interesting. He's dispelling a myth.

In terms of mechanics, practice partners have been getting closer and closer and closer to the S-class players for years. So when you get down to it, the skill gap has been shrinking. But something else has been counter-balancing this: metagame. This game is getting better and better understood all the time. Once upon a time, it was relatively easy even for S-class players to succumb to unknown strategies. Hell, Anytime's OSL run in SO1 was proof of that. But that ability to do that has been shrinking. Build orders get more and more and more refined so that the better player is more and more and more guaranteed to win.

Flash's fundamentals are absurd. This reminds me of watching NaDa back in like 2001/2002. That's why Flash's win percentages are so outrageously high. People often compare Flash to Oov, but actually that comparison is totally wrong. Oov's fundamentals never were the best (his strengths were in other areas), but that's where Flash excels. That's not to say that Flash is bad at the other stuff (he isn't), but that he's so good because he can get more out of the same build order and the same strategy than anybody else. He'll have a bigger army because he's able to defend against the muta harass just slightly better, spending just slightly less on turrets. That kind of thing. That's a huge, huge part of what we call "skill."

But don't confuse perfect fundamentals with perfection itself. It's silly to get disappointed because of "OMG HE LOST!" As far as I'm concerned, the OSL/MSL finals (especially the MSL finals against rival Jaedong) are the most important stroke in securing bonjwahood. Flash has not yet received coronation, but still may yet. Only it will be slightly more difficult to achieve than before.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
May 22 2010 23:02 GMT
#30
On May 23 2010 06:23 PH wrote:
effort luckboxed like none other. Flash was careless for two seconds in game three at a time where it shouldn't have even mattered and he wouldn't normally have had to have been careful which lost him the game. Effort's lings just happened to be at the right place.

Then Flash basically threw that next game, trying to cheese with that stupid BBS. It was over from the start. There was nothing interesting about that game, just effort's extraordinary luck in sending his overlord to the cross position.

The last game saw effort abusing the fact that flash would most definitely play safe and standard in the last set. It was a great move that worked out for him.

There was nothing particularly special about this series. The first two sets showed just how great Flash is, the third and fourth showed how a bit of bad luck can completely screw over even the best player in the world, and the fifth set showed once again that Flash can be pretty predictable.


game 3: that was a perfect example of what Day9 calss a potential advantage.Effort got his lings there so that if Flash moved he would win. it was perfectly played by effort and poorly done by FlaSh. You can't say Effort got lucky, you can say FlaSh did not play smart instead.Effort did not happen to be at the right place, Effort was at the right place in a very calculated manner.

Game 4: Again you know when Day9 says that it is smart play to send your overlord in the middle of the map to check proxies and then send it to a main. That's what Effort did. he did not happen to be lucky and scout cross positions. Again it was a very calculated move.(he even said so in interview if you don't believe me)

Game 5: well very well played by effort.

Effort did not get lucky in these finals they were perfectly calculated wins... and as someone said above, Flash is not to be blamed for cheesing. he's trying to not be predictable and that's perfectly fine, sadly it did not work out but we ewould be calling him a baller and a genius if it had worked.
Writer
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
May 22 2010 23:33 GMT
#31
Flash played terrible those last three games..there was no reason for anything he did...
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
May 22 2010 23:56 GMT
#32
Flash played insane during games 1 and 2. Effort beat him fair and square in game 3. But then Flash seemed to have a brain malfunction or something and threw away the last 2 games with terrible builds.
"It's not acceptable"
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 23 2010 02:17 GMT
#33
On May 23 2010 06:23 PH wrote:
effort luckboxed like none other. Flash was careless for two seconds in game three at a time where it shouldn't have even mattered and he wouldn't normally have had to have been careful which lost him the game. Effort's lings just happened to be at the right place.

Then Flash basically threw that next game, trying to cheese with that stupid BBS. It was over from the start. There was nothing interesting about that game, just effort's extraordinary luck in sending his overlord to the cross position.

The last game saw effort abusing the fact that flash would most definitely play safe and standard in the last set. It was a great move that worked out for him.

There was nothing particularly special about this series. The first two sets showed just how great Flash is, the third and fourth showed how a bit of bad luck can completely screw over even the best player in the world, and the fifth set showed once again that Flash can be pretty predictable.

Luck? Maybe a bit. But not all that you're talking about. Hmm dude you should read the interview.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
May 23 2010 04:18 GMT
#34
Effort is no pushover.... He was afterall the one who shall not be named's + Show Spoiler +
Voldemort
true heir first and foremost. The second most mechanically gifted player to come on to the scene, second only to Jaedong. He went on an Oov like ZvT tear in 2009 that gave us a glimpse of what he was capable of. This wasn't no kwanro that flash was facing in the finals.

It doesn't help at all that flash has to face off against the other case for GOAT.Undoubtedly the greatest series player in history. With all that said, flash has been hovering around 2400 ELO on BAD days.... Not even Jaedong or Bisu on their very best streaks, during the crest of their respective eras could even come close to BREAKING 2400. And....lastly, flash is still only in his 3rd year as a progammer. JD in his 4th. Progammers and bonjwas typically peak at years 3 and 4.

The only thing stopping flash from attaining a platinum badge and mouse in the next two years is the other one. After flash's unprecedented dominance these past six months, I think Jaedong will be as hungry as ever. He definitely wants as stab at getting back to back dual finals
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
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