• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:04
CET 07:04
KST 15:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
Effort misses out on ASL S21 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10
Tourneys
[BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 BWCL Season 64 Announcement
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1802 users

[SPOILERS] Reflecting on Flash

Blogs > Spritescaper
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Spritescaper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 17:22:05
May 22 2010 17:18 GMT
#1
For the past couple of months, Flash has been dominating the scene in ways I didn't think possible. Breaking various records, going on massive streaks, and demonstrating little to no weaknesses in any of his match-ups. He had the elusive aura of invincibility, and the constant hype from the commentators only bolstered this image, with repeated phrases like "Flash is beyond human" and "How can you hope to de-throne a god?"

And I bought into it. There was a point where I thought that Flash had "solved" the game in a way that even the bonjwas before him hadn't been able to. For a while, I thought "Okay, here's a guy who's got it all figured out. Where do we go from here? How can you improve upon perfection?"

In my opinion, Jaedong was the better player during his Nate MSL run... but that was then, this is now. I caught glimpses of Flash's mortality in his recent proleague games against Effort and Snow (particularly the latter), but I chalked it up to circumstance. At that point, a few stray games weren't enough to alter my perspective in a significant way. I went into today's OSL final series expecting a one-sided rapefest with a 3-1 final score at best.

This was an interesting series, not only because Flash lost, but because for the first time in months, Flash seemed just like any other player in the pro scene. I didn't feel the aura around him. His mental fortitude was not unshakable. Mistakes were made, and costly errors in judgment stacked the games against his favor. I watched Flash pave a path to transcendence only to fall from grace into the bounds of mortality. I witnessed Flash bleed like any other progamer would, something I thought was uncharacteristic of a player of his mastery and skill.

If Flash could've taken any of these games into a mid-to-late management game, his superior mechanics would've probably seen him through. That's hardly the point. While there were hints of his usual brilliance (the maphack-esque scans come to mind), his overall game sense was off. In fact, "off" is probably the most fitting word for his performance today; there was something in his gameplay that seemed awfully "off". He may be one of the best, if not the best, player in the pro scene right now, but if this series is indicative of anything, it's that he's certainly not "beyond human"; he makes human mistakes, and there are glaring weaknesses in his play that can be exploited for full effect.

As odd as it may sound, this series made me see Flash in a different light. It certainly makes the upcoming MSL event a lot more interesting, I think.

*****
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
May 22 2010 17:22 GMT
#2
god i don't know who i wish to win...i hate both jeadong and flash...but since flash is doing much better than JD lately..i hope flash would lose
2010 worldcup!! corea fighting!!!
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
May 22 2010 17:44 GMT
#3
A lot of people were "disappointed" but I think those people forget that Flash is just a kid who plays Starcraft. He made mistakes; every player does.
Moktira is da bomb
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 22 2010 17:44 GMT
#4
On May 23 2010 02:22 The6357 wrote:
god i don't know who i wish to win...i hate both jeadong and flash...but since flash is doing much better than JD lately..i hope flash would lose

have you seen a doctor lately?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
May 22 2010 17:45 GMT
#5
umm.. did you not watch game1 and 2 or something? I really dont think you did.
Entusman #51
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2396 Posts
May 22 2010 17:48 GMT
#6
Yeah, and even in the later games there wasn't a lot I saw that Flash did outright wrong, as in mistakes. Like, game 5, Effort earned himself a whole lot of useless extra gas and later timings just to fool Flash, and it worked like a charm.
The original Bogus fan.
shinjin
Profile Joined January 2010
United States398 Posts
May 22 2010 18:01 GMT
#7
On May 23 2010 02:44 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 02:22 The6357 wrote:
god i don't know who i wish to win...i hate both jeadong and flash...but since flash is doing much better than JD lately..i hope flash would lose

have you seen a doctor lately?


LOL
give it one more try because the best things in life dont come free.
Spritescaper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States63 Posts
May 22 2010 18:16 GMT
#8
On May 23 2010 02:45 Mobius wrote:
umm.. did you not watch game1 and 2 or something? I really dont think you did.

Yeah, watched the whole thing from beginning to end... monitor problems and all. Don't get me wrong, Flash played brilliantly in those games, which is something we've come to expect of him. I'm mainly focusing on aspects of his play that we WOULDN'T normally expect from a player of his caliber. Obviously, something went wrong, because Flash completely fell apart and proceeded to log three consecutive losses afterwards.

On May 23 2010 02:48 Turbovolver wrote:
Yeah, and even in the later games there wasn't a lot I saw that Flash did outright wrong, as in mistakes. Like, game 5, Effort earned himself a whole lot of useless extra gas and later timings just to fool Flash, and it worked like a charm.

Well, that's just it, isn't it? Effort decided to pull a fast one, and Flash took the bait. In game 3, this caused Flash to move out prematurely. In game 4, he risked a proxy barracks, which Effort was fully ready for. In game 5, he opted for a greedy build, but failed to account for early aggression. I would think most or all of these situations were avoidable.
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
May 22 2010 18:54 GMT
#9
He just needs to stay away from greedy builds...

In game 5 he could have leave the marines in the bunker and deal with 3 zerlings in his main with the next round of marines... he was on a 14cc advantage...
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 22 2010 18:56 GMT
#10
It's pretty clear that Flash's dominance at least in TvZ has come to an end, if it didn't with the last MSL finals already. It's no accident that many of his games recently (even those he won) have looked really uncomfortable; his opponents have figured out the right counters. Effort executed it beautifully.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
May 22 2010 18:57 GMT
#11
I think Flash dropped the ball after game 2, i watched it on Kentors stream and it was painful to watch him effing throw game after game away.

Im still pissed, Flash deserved his Golden Mouse and now he gotta wait for the next OSL.
Damn it
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 19:02:44
May 22 2010 19:02 GMT
#12
Flash looked so fucking invicible during game 1 and 2, he was just toying with Effort. Well, well everyone make mistakes.

During game 5 I was SCREAMING: "YEAH ITS IMPOSSIBLE THAT HES SENDING MORE ZERGLINGS RIGHT? NO NEED TO DEFEND, FLASH UR SO FUCKING DUMB"
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Juxx
Profile Joined April 2010
325 Posts
May 22 2010 19:47 GMT
#13
Flash is capable of choking, that is all.
Grubby Fighting!
RushWifDietCoke
Profile Joined May 2008
United States488 Posts
May 22 2010 19:48 GMT
#14
You make some good points, although to be honest I didn't ever see him as invincible or that he figured out that game. Thats happened before only for the players to fall. Of course not as dominating as Flash was/is but at the time it seemed unreal just like Flash's run. Although Flash shouldn't be doubted just because of that series. As long as he doesn't let it get to him and fall hard, he will be a better player because of it. Hes still the ultimate weapon and the best terran player right now.
Nothing to it but to do it.
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
May 22 2010 19:49 GMT
#15
On May 23 2010 03:01 shinjin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 02:44 Geo.Rion wrote:
On May 23 2010 02:22 The6357 wrote:
god i don't know who i wish to win...i hate both jeadong and flash...but since flash is doing much better than JD lately..i hope flash would lose

have you seen a doctor lately?


LOL

been 5 years since last doctors visit...
2010 worldcup!! corea fighting!!!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 20:10:47
May 22 2010 19:50 GMT
#16
Starcraft Myth #1: Great players can just magically start playing bad.

Origin: People see a great player try a cute build, and they just get pummeled by it, or see them beaten by cheese. They think; "why did he play so stupidly?"

Fact: Great players lose games for many reasons, and usually those reason totally divorced from their actual skill. If a player is losing, it's usually not because their apm has dropped off precipitously, or that their multi-tasking has gone to pot. It's usually because they're (A) being read by their opponent, or (B) made a mistake early game that you didn't notice, and have suffered accordingly.

Example: Fantasy is an excellent example of a player whom the community mistakenly believes has terrible TvZ. In fact, while Fantasy's bio control is average, his understanding of TvZ is pretty insane. When fantasy tries a cute build and loses, it's not necessarily because the build sucked, or the execution sucked, but because the opponent may have luckily countered it, or inferred fantasy's intentions correctly. Watch fantasy's TvZ BoX's. He always plays much better than he does in random proleague matches.

EffOrt lost a few games of ZvP back in the fall, which were somewhat unexpected. These losses precipitated his bigger slump. Why did he lose? It's because players (JangBi and free, if I remember) saw that on certain maps, EffOrt was vulnerable to sair/dt. Similarly, EffOrt went 12 hatch a billion times last summer, and so when Calm 9pooled every game and beat him 3-0, it wasn't because the build sucked, or because EffOrt had started sucking at ZvZ. Calm just read him.

Micro mistakes, forgotten upgrades, building placement gaffes ... these are actual mistakes that justify saying a player is bad. When a Woongjin Terran, a Hwaseung Protoss, an SKT zerg, or great play, you can say that they're playing "bad".

***

In the OSL finals, Flash played an excellent Game 1.5, and then an even better Game 2. So where did all of that go in Game 3? Absolutely nowhere. EffOrt played well Game 1, and was outplayed in Games 1.5 and 2. In Game 3, he executed well, and fooled Flash into moving out.

Game 3 was crucial, because after Game 3, EffOrt had the confidence to do something like send his first overlord directly at Flash's BBS. Did Flash somehow lose his ability in Game 4? Not at all. But EffOrt had a huge BO advantage, and he defended perfectly. Game 5? Game 5, I'll concede that Flash played poorly. He didn't block a very predictable zergling runby. Which is to say that he did block it initially, but not well enough. Chalk it up to his mental state.

But did Flash suddenly start playing poorly starting Game 3? Of course not. Both players were extremely well prepared, and it showed. EffOrt just won the mindgames, and thus, the series.

It'd be wonderful if all Flash had to do was play safe, and he'd win every game with his superior mechanics except:
1) There are a few players, EffOrt being one of them who can match Flash's mechanics.
2) Safe play can be exploited if you know it's coming.

When Flash cheeses, or plays mech, it's not because he's bored, it's because these games set up the times when he plays a predictable one rax into expo.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
May 22 2010 20:03 GMT
#17
Compared to the MSL ZvZ semifinal which was absolutely beautiful beautiful beautiful, this match seemed awfly rofley. Game 1 was a good play by flash, game two was very iffy defense by Effort, game 3 was a rofl-fest, game 4 was a rofl-fest and game 5 was a rofl-fest. Play safe flash! :p And good job Effort for dethroning a king!
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 22 2010 20:36 GMT
#18
I knew when he lost that people would make a bigger deal about it than it actually is. Hey, Flash has made 4 final appearances in 2 seasons. He's allowed to lose a few games. He's even allowed to lose a series, as ridiculous as that sounds! Even Boxer, Nada, Savior and Oov were allowed to lose games and even series in their prime
Trucy Wright is hot
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 22 2010 20:49 GMT
#19
I think the nature of the match-up came into play here.
Terran is reliant on composure and tough defence, especially early game. Although Flash is one of the best players of all time he's not unshakable. If you can catch him off guard or trick him then you can unsettle his nerve slightly, that's what happened here.
In Game 3 Flash made an assumption about how many Zerglings Effort had. He made just a slight error and it shook his confidence. To his great credit once Effort had made Flash off balance he maintained the pressure and took the win.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 22 2010 21:23 GMT
#20
effort luckboxed like none other. Flash was careless for two seconds in game three at a time where it shouldn't have even mattered and he wouldn't normally have had to have been careful which lost him the game. Effort's lings just happened to be at the right place.

Then Flash basically threw that next game, trying to cheese with that stupid BBS. It was over from the start. There was nothing interesting about that game, just effort's extraordinary luck in sending his overlord to the cross position.

The last game saw effort abusing the fact that flash would most definitely play safe and standard in the last set. It was a great move that worked out for him.

There was nothing particularly special about this series. The first two sets showed just how great Flash is, the third and fourth showed how a bit of bad luck can completely screw over even the best player in the world, and the fifth set showed once again that Flash can be pretty predictable.
Hello
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
LiuLi Cup Grand Finals Playoff
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft441
mcanning 148
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5788
GuemChi 824
Bale 28
sSak 23
Icarus 16
League of Legends
JimRising 645
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K352
m0e_tv294
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor89
Other Games
summit1g4256
C9.Mang0321
Tasteless108
RuFF_SC2101
NeuroSwarm65
Mew2King28
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV213
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 55
• Berry_CruncH46
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 83
• Azhi_Dahaki14
• iopq 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1277
• Rush1230
• Stunt449
• HappyZerGling96
Other Games
• Scarra1368
Upcoming Events
Ultimate Battle
5h 56m
Light vs ZerO
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5h 56m
MaxPax vs Spirit
Rogue vs Bunny
Cure vs SHIN
Solar vs Zoun
OSC
11h 56m
Replay Cast
17h 56m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 3h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 5h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-04
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.