• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:41
CEST 22:41
KST 05:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed14Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Who will win EWC 2025? The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Server Blocker Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion Soulkey Muta Micro Map? [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
Starcraft Superstars Winner/Replays [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
We are Ready to Testify: Emergence Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 572 users

New Terran Strategy I'm Tinkering With

Blogs > mrlie3
Post a Reply
mrlie3
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 13:37:30
May 18 2010 05:06 GMT
#1
Just a memo here to clear my mind on this build;

Might work on maps like Steppes of War and Incineration Zone; probable but harder on Lost Temple and Metalopolis

Starts with regular 10 depot 12 rax, but take gas at 12 and make techlab immediately to show toss that I'm going reaper rush.
10 rax reaper or 11 rax reaper more viable?
- Scout with 10 depot scv
- If he isn't getting early core, get reaper and harass
- If he is going early core, get 1 marauder and marines afterward - wall-in with 2nd depot should be completed by now
should I wall-in or not?
- Build factory once 100 gas is accumulated after 1 reaper/marauder; build 2nd gas as well
idk whether I should fake-push (like SC1's FD Build) with 1 tank and infantries and retreat. Is is as risky as SC1 or much more riskier?
- Scan this time; if you see only 2 gate, expect DT or VR and build Starport and Engineering bay while pumping marines only (factory should be stopped for other production); if you see 4+ gate or 2 gate and robo, expect all-in or immortal and get siege-mode/bunker; build command center inside your base later - get Ebay if you haven't later on
- Slowly push out from the base with Siege Tank, marines, 1 bunker, and 1 turret and safely expand
- Build Starport w/techlab if you haven't, and build additional rax and fact with reactor; build Ghost academy;
1 raven asap? or 1 banshee for light harass? or 1 viking for preemptive defense against VR?
- Start harassing with Hellions from reactor
- Research Building Armor -> Hi-Sec Auto Tracking -> NeoSteel Frames from Ebay; use MULE calldown to get mineral for 3rd expansion
NeoSteel worthwhile?
- Don't ever stop building turrets; BUILD THEM EVERYWHERE to deter any VRs or Warp Prism
- Build 2 Armories once 2 bases are fully saturated and upgrade vehicle weapons and armors continuously
- Slowly push again for safe 3rd expansion; Add 2 more fact and 1 more Starport
- Start nuking with Ghost and harass with hellions constantly
- Once 3rd expansion is secured, start push out VERY SLOWLY. Order of push: Sensor Tower -> Turret -> Bunker -> Sieged Tanks -> Hellions/Vikings just front of Tanks, Ghosts/1 or 2 raven in the back -> Bunker salvage -> Repeat.
- TRICK is to move very slowly, yet repeat the above process seamlessly without any breaks.
- Scan every 1 minutes or so to figure out whether toss is going mass Carriers; time to strike if you see it.
- gg if toss tried very hard to break the line and failed miserably; also gg if you somehow screws up any of the points above. =P
push when 200/200? or wait for toss to attack first?


This seems like a sure win for Terran but definitely harder and time-consuming.

Crimson @ Clan CORE | ESFI World Translator
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 18 2010 05:09 GMT
#2
Do you have any replays demonstrating it? I'm always up for trying new Terran builds.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
May 18 2010 05:13 GMT
#3
looks neato, ofc it's no sure win but you should be able to beat equally skilled protosses doing this i think ill try it out!
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
May 18 2010 05:16 GMT
#4
the usefulness of marines really dies out in the midgame if you dont have enough medivacs. also with a zealot heavy army a lot of splash damage is going to be done to those marines. i think more hellions would be a better idea.

ive been playing a similar style except on maps where i can i do the 1 rax fe into planetary fortress, then straight tech up to hellions and tanks. one issue is knowing how the protoss will respond. void rays, 4 gate, immortal, expand, blink are all openings that require some adjustment to the build.

also, until ghosts come rolling in, your micro has to be superb with tanks so you dont waste shots.
JaedongMidasAction
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
May 18 2010 05:19 GMT
#5
i wanna eff a girl

User was temp banned for this post.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 05:24:35
May 18 2010 05:24 GMT
#6
that's a toooooon of gas without much aggression, I think the protoss can go expo -> expo -> whatever pretty well against this
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
May 18 2010 06:10 GMT
#7
On May 18 2010 14:19 JaedongMidasAction wrote:
i wanna eff a girl




Wtf? There's something wrong here when you post this shit and yet you're not yet banned.



Anyway, this is what I usually do. But the thing is, you have to be like 100% on time with everything. One misstep or being greedy and not scanning, vs toss especially, really puts you behind.

Sigh. Yes, I just got owned by void rays. Again.


초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
May 18 2010 08:01 GMT
#8
imo lategame TvP PvT is favoring P. dunno why this should be a sure win...
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 08:45:08
May 18 2010 08:44 GMT
#9
Its Avilos ghost mech, but with no marines to defend against void rays

And yes, if you micro your ghosts well enough, your 200/200 army will wipe his off the face of the planet.
mrlie3
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 13:36:03
May 18 2010 13:31 GMT
#10
On May 18 2010 14:09 Grobyc wrote:
Do you have any replays demonstrating it? I'm always up for trying new Terran builds.


Sorry I don't have any good ones right now. I got some successful Avilos ghost mech but also alot of failed ones.

On May 18 2010 14:24 Sunyveil wrote:
that's a toooooon of gas without much aggression, I think the protoss can go expo -> expo -> whatever pretty well against this


Initial reaper harass (if I made one), continuous 3 to 4 hellions harass, possible banshee harass, and ghost nukes seem enough to me.

On May 18 2010 17:44 Catch]22 wrote:
Its Avilos ghost mech, but with no marines to defend against void rays

And yes, if you micro your ghosts well enough, your 200/200 army will wipe his off the face of the planet.


I've treid Avilos ghost mech many times and found out it is extremely weak against 4 gate all-in or with robo 1 immortal push. This build was only good against fast observer and voidrays. I'm trying to see if ebay + rines can hold off voidrays until 1 or 2 viking comes out. Bascially I'm getting ebay first rather than raven first.

This is still a build in working and shouldn't be expected as perfect strategy. 'Sure win' I mentioned was just what I wanted to achieve with this build when polished well...
Crimson @ Clan CORE | ESFI World Translator
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-18 14:41:35
May 18 2010 14:40 GMT
#11
On May 18 2010 15:10 orgolove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2010 14:19 JaedongMidasAction wrote:
i wanna eff a girl




Wtf? There's something wrong here when you post this shit and yet you're not yet banned.

Calm down kid, I can't read this forum 24/7. Jesus.

Edit: Seriously, it fucking happened 9 hours ago while I was sleeping. What is wrong with you?
Moderator
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ZombieGrub274
Hui .197
UpATreeSC 151
Nathanias 108
JuggernautJason44
ForJumy 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 933
ZZZero.O 138
scan(afreeca) 119
Aegong 84
Stormgate
NightEnD21
Dota 2
qojqva4893
syndereN638
NeuroSwarm83
League of Legends
Grubby4788
Trikslyr73
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K840
flusha641
oskar321
byalli279
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu500
Other Games
FrodaN3004
summit1g731
Beastyqt683
B2W.Neo643
ToD285
tarik_tv245
C9.Mang0129
KnowMe122
Skadoodle120
Sick39
PPMD35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2634
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta14
• LUISG 11
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Stormgate
• mYiSmile10
Dota 2
• masondota21695
League of Legends
• TFBlade888
Counter-Strike
• Shiphtur240
Other Games
• imaqtpie2174
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
13h 19m
Epic.LAN
15h 19m
CSO Contender
20h 19m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
Online Event
1d 19h
Esports World Cup
3 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

JPL Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.