New SC2 Computer - Please critique - Page 5

semantics

10040 Posts

April 02 2010 08:47 GMT

#81

On April 02 2010 07:28 FragKrag wrote:
Crosshair 3 and the ASUS RoG boards in general are all gimmicks. A 5770 and Phenom II will run on a 500W PSU. Why waste money

they are a niche product for those with alot of money or for those wanting to oc big time off liquid helium or ln2 really or one who will shove waterblocks and do a high end oc 24/7.

def not for someone only getting a phenom ii and a 5770 there are such better ways to spend your money, those 300 dollar boards from evga, gigabyte, msi and asus are mean for long term oc abuse, the real pc enthusiast. if you just want to play games invest heavily into a gpu then into a cpu and progressively spend less and less on parts.

gpu>cpu>psu>ram=motherboard=hdd...
in terms of things you can gimp out on motherboards tend to be one of the more forgiving ones just pick the right chipset and performance is usually =, it's the extras like more pci slots or something that costs you.

FragKrag

United States11556 Posts

April 02 2010 14:43 GMT

#82

On April 02 2010 17:38 semantics wrote:

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such a waste good random read times but i could just raid 2 500gb 7200.12 and get better read and write times by far esp under write times dealing with sequential writes ie recording things making it as good as a 300 dollar ssd - the power and silence but a + in storage

imo it's top of the line ssd or not at all unless you're going for a silent system.

Why do people think that RAID is a capable solution for terrible random access and random read/writes? You can RAID all you want, but you still aren't going to match the performance of an Intel SSD in random read/write.

IMO it's

CPU > GPU > PSU > MOBO > RAM > HDD
for most people who don't care about overclocking.

CPU > MOBO >= RAM = PSU > GPU > HDD
for overclocking

CPU > GPU > MOBO > HDD > PSU > RAM
for high performance in general

Jlab

United States217 Posts

April 02 2010 15:40 GMT

#83

Man i can't wait to build a new computer now. I'm sure ill do 100% better after all the things i've learned from working on mine and reading these discussions.

semantics

10040 Posts

April 02 2010 18:01 GMT

#84

On April 02 2010 23:43 FragKrag wrote:

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You don't get better random access times but on a proper raid setup you get better small read and write times which is mostly what hdd's lack that cases the huge performance diff between the two. Although you get amazing throughput sequential read and write times which is important to those who record using like fraps and stuff.

I run a 4 hdd set up most currently, going 1 hdd for os and programs, 2 hdd's for recording, offloading, editing and downloads, 1 hdd for storage.

In terms of games performance alone the cpu isn't more important then the gpu, but it def still is imporant esp if you want a well rounded computer that can do a bit of everything well.

FragKrag

United States11556 Posts

April 02 2010 19:03 GMT

#85

RAID is worthless when it comes down to most everyday tasks like random read/write. A SSD will open numerous programs instantly while your RAID array will still struggle.

Deleted User 47542

1484 Posts

April 03 2010 07:34 GMT

#86

Didn't read through the posts but with a 1.2k budget, getting a 775 socket build is retarded. For hard drives since you want to have so much storage, you should get ONE main drive(os, games, apps), and 1-2 western digital 2TB green drives(these are low power 5.4k rpm drives, specifically for storage).

General PC tips.
-i3 520, i5 750, i7 920/30, phenom x4 955 are the best price/performance cpus out right now
-Corsair/Antec/Seasonic make the best PSU's <-DONT SKIM ON THIS!
-Gigabyte/Asus/EVGA/Msi mobos are good
-Graphics you want to get ATI at the moment, 4870/5770 are great cards for mid-ranged
-Every ram is pretty much the same, just make sure you get the right type for your mobo/cpu.
-Western digital makes the best HDD's, Samsungs are decent, Seagate/Hiatchi have higher failure rates

If you have a local fry's or microcenter you can save hundreds of bucks on parts, a two hour drive is worth it! Here is an example of what I mean by ridiculous prices, they practically give away a free motherboard, you just have to catch the deals as soon as they come out every friday. http://www.frys.com/product/6096078?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

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