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OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
March 26 2010 01:06 GMT
#1
that i've been stuck at C- for almost a year and a half now, with regular playing the whole time. I never counted before, but now that I have, it's pretty sad.

I feel like I have improved so much build wise, macro wise, mechanics wise since I first hit C-, and puzzles me how I've made NO FUCKING RANK PROGRESS THIS ENTIRE TIME.



zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
March 26 2010 01:09 GMT
#2
not enough ladder games
Think you got lag? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn.
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
March 26 2010 01:11 GMT
#3
You need to analyze your replays and spot mistakes/holes in your gameplay.

If you're just playing regularly, you might play more solidly but your bad habits will solidify as well.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43650 Posts
March 26 2010 01:13 GMT
#4
The average skill level of the ladder improves over time, even if the ranks don't. So it's not like you've gotten nowhere, you've just stayed the same relative to your peers.
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
March 26 2010 01:17 GMT
#5
One day you will vastly see improvement when you ALMOST beat my offrace
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OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 01:20:58
March 26 2010 01:20 GMT
#6
On March 26 2010 10:17 Hypnosis wrote:
One day you will vastly see improvement when you ALMOST beat my offrace

and who might you be? are you chris?
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 26 2010 01:21 GMT
#7
Kwark beat me to it. The skill of each rank appears to go every every season, so even if you have stayed the same rank you're most likely still improving.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
March 26 2010 01:22 GMT
#8
As long as you know that you're getting better, it's not like it matters that you're not progressing in rank. You probably have a much deeper understanding of the game from when you first started, You can probably analyze your replays in much more detail, and hopefully you can always understand what you did wrong in a game without needing to go back and look at the replay.

It's not all about the letter ^^
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notsoeloquent
Profile Joined March 2010
United States64 Posts
March 26 2010 01:26 GMT
#9
yea ladder stays ahead of you, especially if youre playing koreans. It feels like the amount of koreans on icup went up exponentially
all this time, I've lived in hope of telling you how sorry I am, I've fought armies, just to have this chance, but now, there's nothing I can say that's good enough
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
March 26 2010 01:30 GMT
#10
On March 26 2010 10:22 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
As long as you know that you're getting better, it's not like it matters that you're not progressing in rank. You probably have a much deeper understanding of the game from when you first started, You can probably analyze your replays in much more detail, and hopefully you can always understand what you did wrong in a game without needing to go back and look at the replay.

It's not all about the letter ^^


i hardly play for only the letter... i play almost exclusively standard, with the same build for 90 percent of my games. i don't like to cheese and i don't do gay shit to abuse for a higher rank.

ive recently been losing a lot of games by making 1 retarded mistake in an otherwise ok game....... it seriously gets me very annoyed when 1 subtle error costs you the entire fucking game.
OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
March 26 2010 01:37 GMT
#11
On March 26 2010 10:26 notsoeloquent wrote:
yea ladder stays ahead of you, especially if youre playing koreans. It feels like the amount of koreans on icup went up exponentially


I feel like that's just making excuses to make ourselves feel better. for one, you can't quantify that with hard evidence. and though it isnt too frequent, ive had plenty of run ins with really nooby koreans as well.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2669 Posts
March 26 2010 01:46 GMT
#12
On March 26 2010 10:13 KwarK wrote:
The average skill level of the ladder improves over time, even if the ranks don't. So it's not like you've gotten nowhere, you've just stayed the same relative to your peers.


Yeah, basically everyone else is improving more than you are.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43650 Posts
March 26 2010 01:54 GMT
#13
On March 26 2010 10:46 Flicky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:13 KwarK wrote:
The average skill level of the ladder improves over time, even if the ranks don't. So it's not like you've gotten nowhere, you've just stayed the same relative to your peers.


Yeah, basically everyone else is improving more than you are.

That's not what I said! If he stays the same rank he's improving at the same rate they are.
Although I can't get all bitchy about reading after meeting you, it just wouldn't seem right.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
March 26 2010 02:39 GMT
#14
i think this tells you ladder rank is really meaningless. Be honest with yourself.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
notsoeloquent
Profile Joined March 2010
United States64 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 03:02:48
March 26 2010 03:01 GMT
#15
On March 26 2010 10:37 OMin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:26 notsoeloquent wrote:
yea ladder stays ahead of you, especially if youre playing koreans. It feels like the amount of koreans on icup went up exponentially


I feel like that's just making excuses to make ourselves feel better. for one, you can't quantify that with hard evidence. and though it isnt too frequent, ive had plenty of run ins with really nooby koreans as well.


ladder keeps getting harder, at least it did until now. My theory is the influx of koreans, matchlist would be the "hard evidence". Maybe its just overall improvement( which i doubt to a certain extent) It takes a lot more to get a specific rank even compared to 4-5 months ago. Maybe you havent noticed at C-( which i think you should have) but it is definitely the case at C+/B- and above( i wouldnt know about the "above" obviously, im just guessing here)
all this time, I've lived in hope of telling you how sorry I am, I've fought armies, just to have this chance, but now, there's nothing I can say that's good enough
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
March 26 2010 04:10 GMT
#16
been playing for a year (on and off) and i have like 500 points until C- at this point.
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