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Oh my god I am so irritated with this matchup. Why can I not win this T.T
It makes me really wish there is a seperate ELO for each of your matchups because my PvZ just isn't on par with my other 2. If anyone can help me with this matchup in any way (Zerg partner or Protoss that can give PvZ advice)I would be super grateful. I realize other people are also having problems with this matchup but this is ridiculous. I can without a doubt say I'm having a harder time PvZ in sc2 then TvP in SC1. At least when I was losing TvP, my other matchups sucked almost as bad.
So record is 51-42 platinum #11.
3-26 in PvZ with a win over charliemurphy (lol) and a hatch first zerg that died to 2gate on vertical positions metalopolis.
8-2 in placing matches
So that is 40- 14 in my other two matchups + 4 games as Terran.
Any streams or replays you can help would be greatly appreciated. I watched orb's stream a few times. Also, I watched Xlord and Nazgul's replays from that one tournament but that's all.
So I guess since I've been whining a ton I should make this blog worth reading. Here's an image report of my game vs Charliemurphy because I can.
40 images in the spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +Game starts. No gl for you zerg Zerg gets a spawning pool. I feel at a loss already Fancy Fearsome sized zerg army. Able to crush any kind of 1 base play from protoss Good try charlie. 3 roaches are almost as strong as 3 cannons but not quite I have expansion yet he doesn't. Should be easy game no? Spire. That's all that needs to be said Sentries because everything else dies. Moveout time. +50 supply on zerg. Easy win right? I thought force fields were a good idea at the time. Double supply on the zerg. Should be GG? No 115 vs 28. What the fuck WTF storm? Roaches highlighted for entire battle 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Fuck that. Same roaches just burrowed for a few seconds to heal A little while later How did you lose this? You had half my supply for half the game. How did you stay in as long as you did? Roaches Yes lucky me. Thank you for my 3rd PvZ win bolstering my win rate to around 10%.
That's all folks
  
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Wow, you make me so jealous
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So storms r worthless I guess.
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Yea storm are absolutly worthless verus roaches.
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this was really entertaining, haha. I want to see CM's response ;p
I wouldn't mind seeing the replay. Nice overlord creep from CM as shown on minimap.
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On March 23 2010 13:09 MuffinDude wrote:
So storms r worthless I guess.
i beg to differ. Go watch orbs stream.
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Storms win me my PvT so I love em. But 10 storms should kill a small group of roaches no problem.
Also point of this thread was to ask for pvz help
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I think that storms should stack so as to pwn roaches :/
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I actually find PvZ as one of my easier matchups. Instead of going for such an early expansion, why not do 1 base play with 2 warpgates/robo making zealot stalker sentry immortal army, and push with that when the time is right (scouting with observers to see opportune timings). That has worked really well for me so far.
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I can be your practice partner if you want...
I play P and Z and i'm Plat top 30..
PM me if you wanna practice
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PVZ is quiet hard for the P atm, its just really hard for the toss to keep up with a zerg who has good unit production. Spawn larva is really powerfull.
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My comment was in reference to how bad you were playing against roaches, and the fact that I was scouting around at EVERY base and I even thought that I scouted the base in between us but apparently I didn't. I knew I wouldn't lose if I just denied you from expanding again (which my lings were doing every few minutes on the top left areas). Once you got that base up (which was another example of bad playing, what good player tries to expand 2 inches from the enemy?), you just won with overwhelming forces, even though you were inferior player.
So yea, unlucky scouting from me because you massed like 2009320932 templar/zealot versus roaches. Everyone and their mom knows that you counter roach with robotech (or even stalkers) and that storm doesn't do shit. Also the fact that you are 3-26 in pvz and are 100 to 30 food supply and not winning a game is exactly what I meant by that comment. I played badly, and shouldn't have lost. gg
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
no one gives a fuck, and you are a stupid trying to catch some e-fame. Guess what, I'm not even 'great', in fact most people only know me from infamy and no one really cares about me in the first place. (this is literally like the 3rd or 4th thread)
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Actually his 3rd base seems to be in a good spot based on the match up since he can reinforce it with his main army very quickly compared to bases on the other side of the map just being reinforced by warp gated units quickly.
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On March 23 2010 14:48 Alventenie wrote:
Actually his 3rd base seems to be in a good spot based on the match up since he can reinforce it with his main army very quickly compared to bases on the other side of the map just being reinforced by warp gated units quickly.
If I had scouted it, it would have died before he got up 10000 canons, you can see in the screenshots how badly his zeal/temp army did vs a handful of roaches and lings.
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On March 23 2010 13:22 404.Delirium wrote:
this was really entertaining, haha. I want to see CM's response ;p
I wouldn't mind seeing the replay. Nice overlord creep from CM as shown on minimap.
yea, his screen shots are kind of misleading/biased so here it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/?nkwomk02mnm
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HOLY SHIT YOU BEAT CM? someone give this man a cookie. no!... a medal!!!
seriously though, this is pretty unwarranted. it's not even a very good game.
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wtf did this become. it was supposed to be humorous. just wanted to turn a whine thread into a whine + some pictures.
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sorry I didn't mean to snap but this is literally like the 4th time it's happened. I dunno
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everybody who gets away with hidden proxy or hidden expo is obviously a garbage player
you should rage at them and shit talk them to restore your ego
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On March 23 2010 16:52 EmeraldSparks wrote:
everybody who gets away with hidden proxy or hidden expo is obviously a garbage player
you should rage at them and shit talk them to restore your ego
you misunderstood entirely
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I supposed that you were going to put a replay where you loose..i am not able to fit the replay with the post..
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On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Once you got that base up (which was another example of bad playing, what good player tries to expand 2 inches from the enemy?), you just won with overwhelming forces, even though you were inferior player.
lot of good players expand near enemy..very often the "opponent" expo are not scouted until he is going to expo there
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Sorry but i wouldve expanded to the exact same spot (if i was chosing to expand)... You(zerg) have the more mobile army, his force can sit at his third and back up his nat fairly easily, it seems like a no brainer compared to expanding somewhere across the other side of the map, making it hard to position his army and making it more or less impossible to stop zergling raids on the building expo unless you split your force or have it all at your third, both of which are horrible options... (ala sc1 PvZ same dynamic in taking a third).
I stand by his decision to expand the way he did, its definitely debatable, but not all-out-abuse-him-for-it-able....
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On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
hahahahaha
do you remember who started it? lol
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On March 23 2010 16:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:
sorry I didn't mean to snap but this is literally like the 4th time it's happened. I dunno
but why didnt you just outstrategize him by ling allining??
the only way to beat a z who is as good as you and has some idea how to play is 3/4warp gate + immortal allins, and its still not a great option on most maps.
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On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
no one gives a fuck, and you are a stupid trying to catch some e-fame. Guess what, I'm not even 'great', in fact most people only know me from infamy and no one really cares about me in the first place. (this is literally like the 3rd or 4th thread)
You're charlie fucking murphy, that's why!!!
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Just so you guys know me and my buddy did a test on storm vs roach today..
Heres the results (with no armor upgrades)
Storm vs roach = 5 storms!!!
Storm vs roach with rapid regen burrowed = N/A Thats right Storm will not kill a burrowed roach with rapid regen EVER.
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.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?
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On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?
Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death
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On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death
man zvp must be a legitimately hard MU to win huh
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On March 23 2010 21:34 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
hahahahaha do you remember who started it? lol
If you're implying it was me, you're mistaken
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On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death
Wait I'm confused...
does storm do no damage to burrowed units
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On March 24 2010 07:08 Exteray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:.... 10 storms cant kill roaches? Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death Wait I'm confused... does storm do no damage to burrowed units
It does, roaches regen faster then storm can damage then, even if they take the full thing.
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On March 24 2010 05:57 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:.... 10 storms cant kill roaches? Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death man zvp must be a legitimately hard MU to win huh
we have to continue a tradition...what would be Starcraft without an hard PvZ matchup?
(ie what would be Italy without pizza spaghetti and mandolino? traditions are traditions)
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On March 23 2010 23:50 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 16:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:
sorry I didn't mean to snap but this is literally like the 4th time it's happened. I dunno but why didnt you just outstrategize him by ling allining?? the only way to beat a z who is as good as you and has some idea how to play is 3/4warp gate + immortal allins, and its still not a great option on most maps.
IdrA man, what are you doing on the dark side, giving protoss players advice? Sigh, what is the world coming to.
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