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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 07:54:19
March 23 2010 07:52 GMT
#21
everybody who gets away with hidden proxy or hidden expo is obviously a garbage player

you should rage at them and shit talk them to restore your ego
But why?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 23 2010 07:57 GMT
#22
On March 23 2010 16:52 EmeraldSparks wrote:
everybody who gets away with hidden proxy or hidden expo is obviously a garbage player

you should rage at them and shit talk them to restore your ego

you misunderstood entirely
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
March 23 2010 08:10 GMT
#23
I supposed that you were going to put a replay where you loose..i am not able to fit the replay with the post..


PS
On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Once you got that base up (which was another example of bad playing, what good player tries to expand 2 inches from the enemy?), you just won with overwhelming forces, even though you were inferior player.

lot of good players expand near enemy..very often the "opponent" expo are not scouted until he is going to expo there
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-23 12:03:56
March 23 2010 12:02 GMT
#24
Sorry but i wouldve expanded to the exact same spot (if i was chosing to expand)... You(zerg) have the more mobile army, his force can sit at his third and back up his nat fairly easily, it seems like a no brainer compared to expanding somewhere across the other side of the map, making it hard to position his army and making it more or less impossible to stop zergling raids on the building expo unless you split your force or have it all at your third, both of which are horrible options... (ala sc1 PvZ same dynamic in taking a third).

I stand by his decision to expand the way he did, its definitely debatable, but not all-out-abuse-him-for-it-able....
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
March 23 2010 12:34 GMT
#25
On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
hahahahaha
do you remember who started it? lol
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 23 2010 14:50 GMT
#26
On March 23 2010 16:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:
sorry I didn't mean to snap but this is literally like the 4th time it's happened. I dunno

but why didnt you just outstrategize him by ling allining??

the only way to beat a z who is as good as you and has some idea how to play is 3/4warp gate + immortal allins, and its still not a great option on most maps.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32150 Posts
March 23 2010 15:17 GMT
#27
On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
no one gives a fuck, and you are a stupid trying to catch some e-fame. Guess what, I'm not even 'great', in fact most people only know me from infamy and no one really cares about me in the first place. (this is literally like the 3rd or 4th thread)


You're charlie fucking murphy, that's why!!!
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VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
March 23 2010 18:41 GMT
#28
Just so you guys know me and my buddy did a test on storm vs roach today..
Heres the results (with no armor upgrades)
Storm vs roach = 5 storms!!!
Storm vs roach with rapid regen burrowed = N/A Thats right Storm will not kill a burrowed roach with rapid regen EVER.
Why?
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 23 2010 18:48 GMT
#29
.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?
cw)minsean(ru
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
March 23 2010 18:54 GMT
#30
On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?

Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death
Why?
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 23 2010 20:57 GMT
#31
On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?

Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death

man zvp must be a legitimately hard MU to win huh
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 23 2010 21:31 GMT
#32
On March 23 2010 21:34 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 14:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- What's with all these people posting threads with links to reps/or whatever where they won vs me? Just post it in the rep thread like everyone else.
hahahahaha
do you remember who started it? lol

If you're implying it was me, you're mistaken
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
March 23 2010 22:08 GMT
#33
On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?

Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death

Wait I'm confused...
does storm do no damage to burrowed units
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
March 23 2010 22:20 GMT
#34
On March 24 2010 07:08 Exteray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:
On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?

Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death

Wait I'm confused...
does storm do no damage to burrowed units

It does, roaches regen faster then storm can damage then, even if they take the full thing.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
March 23 2010 22:28 GMT
#35
On March 24 2010 05:57 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2010 03:54 TheComeback wrote:
On March 24 2010 03:48 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
.... 10 storms cant kill roaches?

Nope... 5000 storms cant kill roaches... I had acontrol group of about 30 temps ( we were just testing storm vs various zerg units) and i spammed storm on a burrowed roach util they were all empty... no death

man zvp must be a legitimately hard MU to win huh



we have to continue a tradition...what would be Starcraft without an hard PvZ matchup?
(ie what would be Italy without pizza spaghetti and mandolino? traditions are traditions)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
March 23 2010 23:26 GMT
#36
On March 23 2010 23:50 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2010 16:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:
sorry I didn't mean to snap but this is literally like the 4th time it's happened. I dunno

but why didnt you just outstrategize him by ling allining??

the only way to beat a z who is as good as you and has some idea how to play is 3/4warp gate + immortal allins, and its still not a great option on most maps.


IdrA man, what are you doing on the dark side, giving protoss players advice? Sigh, what is the world coming to.
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