This subject has been slowly bringing itself into my life. Just having read Jung's Dreams, memories, reflections I am feeling even more justified in talking about psychic phenomenon and not attributing them to coincidence.
In his book he speaks of having dreams where he predicts future events such as the death of a patient he is working on shooting himself in the head, and him having a dream with pain in his head, and a similar incident where he sees someone drowning before going home to find out that one of the children at the residence had almost drowned.
Mine have been less vivid, but still hard to ignore. The first one was a friend who I met on battle.net and that I IM about life's difficulties and the like. Then one night, even though i've never met him he appears as the main element of my dream. When I go to message him about this he has messaged me before saying that he dreamed about me. I was flabbergasted. Even more recently I had a dream where I was getting my appendix removed, having not thought about appendix in ages, and woke up the next day to hear my mum talking to my grandma about my cousin had got his removed which scared teh hell out of me.
My mum has explained to me panicking after waking from her sleep on random nights since i've moved away. These are nights where my life has been endanger.
These are only random examples, there seem to be things that can blow my mind, and I'm wondering if anyone else has such things.
MOD EDIT Due to the nature of this thread, I'll be keeping an eye on it. Please, however much your beliefs differ from anyone else in this thread, keep the discussion mature.
As a skeptic I have a hard time believing any of this. You really need some very specific and solid evidence and multiple examples of this to convince me.
My idea isn't to convince so much as to warn people to keep an eye out for things, because they are reported. And also to try to become more convinced myself by hearing other peoples experience with this sort of thing. So little is known about the unconscious realms it seems.
I can't say with any certainty that I've had any premonitions. But really minor things, like just a simple conversation at school, or something of the likes. I have a dream about it, but I generally don't remember my dreams. But when it actually does happen, my mind just clicks, and it feels like it already happened, I guess a feeling of deja-vu even though I know that it was in a dream.
However, my rationalization of this is just that a generic event happened in my dream, and I fit it into the real life situation. But either way, that "click" that occurs in my mind is pretty surprising. It makes me lose focus in what I was doing for a minute or so, and I'm like, "Whoa..."
EDIT: As a matter of fact, something else been happening. The weather of a particular day has been triggering mental anchors of past days in my life. It's not really a premonition, but it is somewhat fitting to what I said above. I generally can't remember exactly when/why I felt they way I did in that past day with similar weather, but it is an interesting phenomenon. In short, similar weather of past distinct days make me feel in a similar manner as I did during those past days.
On March 14 2010 01:40 meteorskunk wrote: And also to try to become more convinced myself by hearing other peoples experience with this sort of thing.
thats the entire problem everyone dreams every night. you're looking for this pattern, so you're sure as hell gonna remember it whenever one of those dreams even has something superficial in common with reality, but you discard the thousands of other dreams that had nothing to do with anything.
It is a sensitive and complex topic indeed. I have always tried to keep an open mind about things like this, even if it sounded completely unlogical.
Last year, around June i think, I had a meeting very early in the morning so I had to go to bed earlier than I was used to. I was rolling over and over, trying to sleep, suddenly while I was thinking about some random subject, I started to think about a friend, a very old one. Hadn't seen him for more than 6 years. I can't remember much and I probably fell asleep while I was thinking about him and the times we had together. Next morning, while I was driving to the meeting my phone rang. It was him, asking me if I am free that afternoon. Later that day, he told me that he saw me in a dream..
Coincidence? Quite possibly. Something else? Wish I knew
On March 14 2010 01:43 Neak wrote: It is a sensitive and complex topic indeed. I have always tried to keep an open mind about things like this, even if it sounded completely unlogical.
Last year, around June i think, I had a meeting very early in the morning so I had to go to bed earlier than I was used to. I was rolling over and over, trying to sleep, suddenly while I was thinking about some random subject, I started to think about a friend, a very old one. Hadn't seen him for more than 6 years. I can't remember much and I probably fell asleep while I was thinking about him and the times we had together. Next morning, while I was driving to the meeting my phone rang. It was him, asking me if I am free that afternoon. Later that day, he told me that he saw me in a dream..
Coincidence? Quite possibly. Something else? Wish I knew
While I normally take the same opinion as IdrA, the sheer number of events similar to this makes me not think coincidence. I just can't think of what it is... Subconscious telepathy? Who knows... All I know is that we know almost nothing about the human brain.
On March 14 2010 01:40 meteorskunk wrote: And also to try to become more convinced myself by hearing other peoples experience with this sort of thing.
thats the entire problem everyone dreams every night. you're looking for this pattern, so you're sure as hell gonna remember it whenever one of those dreams even has something superficial in common with reality, but you discard the thousands of other dreams that had nothing to do with anything.
Isn't this how patterns are often found or understood? Of course I am less likely to ignore dreams without obvious connection to my everyday life, and ones that are less noteworthy. I do not discard my other dreams though, I attach subjective meaning to the symbols in my dreams when I can.
On March 14 2010 01:43 Neak wrote: It is a sensitive and complex topic indeed. I have always tried to keep an open mind about things like this, even if it sounded completely unlogical.
Last year, around June i think, I had a meeting very early in the morning so I had to go to bed earlier than I was used to. I was rolling over and over, trying to sleep, suddenly while I was thinking about some random subject, I started to think about a friend, a very old one. Hadn't seen him for more than 6 years. I can't remember much and I probably fell asleep while I was thinking about him and the times we had together. Next morning, while I was driving to the meeting my phone rang. It was him, asking me if I am free that afternoon. Later that day, he told me that he saw me in a dream..
Coincidence? Quite possibly. Something else? Wish I knew
Thats really cool, I love stuff like this as food for though anyways.
On March 14 2010 01:40 meteorskunk wrote: And also to try to become more convinced myself by hearing other peoples experience with this sort of thing.
thats the entire problem everyone dreams every night. you're looking for this pattern, so you're sure as hell gonna remember it whenever one of those dreams even has something superficial in common with reality, but you discard the thousands of other dreams that had nothing to do with anything.
Isn't this how patterns are often found or understood? Of course I am less likely to ignore dreams without obvious connection to my everyday life, and ones that are less noteworthy. I do not discard my other dreams though, I attach subjective meaning to the symbols in my dreams when I can.
again, thats the point. you're looking to find meaning and patterns so you find it, or make it. a couple of meaningful dreams amongst thousands is not a pattern, some of them are bound to kinda line up with something that actually happens. start keeping a log of every single dream you can remember, and then realize that most people dont remember a lot of their dreams, and figure out what percentage had some kind of predictive value.
You do realize Jung and the early psychologists were mainly full of shit right?
It's coincidence and conformation bias with bad probability, instead of thinking of the things that happened within your dreams, think about what didnt happen or how many ways they can be interpreted vaguely.
There are countless of coincidences we miss everyday of our lives, there is always something interesting we miss cause of our perspective and biases, reinforcing on beliefs to be true will make it seem more than it is.
I was having a very vivid premonition in my dreams today. It was an outline of 2 female forms intertwined, they were moving closer and closer until suddenly a huge storm broke out around us all. We sought shelter in the astral projection of a cave, that I conveniently created with my sheer willpower. The female forms now separated and were shaking each with delight. We comforted each other, knowing full well that this abode will not last. At last, at the very peak of sweet culmination of the dream, I ejaculated like never before and woke up.
And sure enough, I ejaculated in real life too! COINCIDENCE? I think NOT! Pure premonition.
The reason these examples seem so prevalent and significant is because no one really notes down the counter examples. It's simply selective memory and over interpretation of the random shit our minds get up to.
For example I had a vivid dream about running from danger and falling, over the next week absolutely nothing happened. Of course this has happened 100 times for every time you've experienced a "psychic phenomenon" but there's no reason for me to care enough to even blog it.
I guess the consensus is that there is no use pondering something if it can be explained by unremarkable things. Know that I believe in coincidence and skepticism, I'm just wondering what the advantage is of writing these things off as coincidence at all times? Isn't that a form of delusion?
On March 14 2010 02:53 meteorskunk wrote: I guess the consensus is that there is no use pondering something if it can be explained by unremarkable things. Know that I believe in coincidence and skepticism, I'm just wondering what the advantage is of writing these things off as coincidence at all times? Isn't that a form of delusion?
Why would it be delusional to assume coincidence but not to assume something supernatural?
On March 14 2010 02:34 druj wrote: There are countless of coincidences we miss everyday of our lives, there is always something interesting we miss cause of our perspective and biases, reinforcing on beliefs to be true will make it seem more than it is.
I think thats the Forer Effect?
Not to be superstitious or anything but I've had experiences like these before which are inexplicable, and occurred to me when my relatives or loved ones are suffering or passed away, involving in myself breaking down uncontrollably in the latter cases. It hasn't been exactly consistent so i cant say for sure though...
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