• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:33
CEST 21:33
KST 04:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"5ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!34Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)103
StarCraft 2
General
Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? 3kb/s downloading patch..... are we back to 1998? Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6504 users

A Puzzling Fortnight - Day 8

Blogs > JeeJee
Post a Reply
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 20:45:34
March 03 2010 20:40 GMT
#1
No preamble!

New coin game, you vs me.

Step (1)
Each of us picks a sequence of 2 coin tosses (i.e. one of HH / TT / HT / TH)

Step (2)
Find a biased coin which has 2/3's chance of landing on H and 1/3 chance of landing on T

Step (3)
Flip! Repeatedly.
We flip the biased coin until one of us sees our sequence. Whoever sees it first, wins.
For instance, I pick TH, you pick HT, and our flips go T T H, so I win.

Query:
Flashback to step one: Do you want to pick the initial sequence first or second if you wish to win this game?

GL!

edit:tidy, puzzle is the same

*****
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7034 Posts
March 03 2010 20:43 GMT
#2
+ Show Spoiler +
I pick first so I can pick HH, right? Because H is the most likely one to come at each flip and thus the sequence of HH should be the most likely as well..

Disclaimer: I might be an idiot or missing something crucial.
Athelthral
Profile Joined November 2008
21 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 20:52:22
March 03 2010 20:50 GMT
#3
Solution should be something like:

+ Show Spoiler +
You want to choose second. Reason as follows:

If the person who picks first takes HH then in response you take TH. If a tails occurs at any point you have to win (string of tails until one heads at which point the last two coins are TH and you win). Thus the only way you can lose is if the first two coins are HH. Probability of this is 4/9, so you win with probability 5/9.

Opponent picks TH, you pick HT. Since if the first coin is a heads you win, a tails you lose. Thus winning probability is 2/3.

Opponent picks HT. You pick HH. Winning probability is 2/3.

Opponent picks TT. Opponent is pretty crazy, you're more likely to win whatever you pick.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
March 03 2010 20:51 GMT
#4
second.
Hates Fun🤔
The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
March 03 2010 20:52 GMT
#5
i would pick HH as well...
chances are 4/9...
i don't know...it's confusing fuck
2010 worldcup!! corea fighting!!!
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 21:01:10
March 03 2010 20:54 GMT
#6
On March 04 2010 05:43 Puosu wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I pick first so I can pick HH, right? Because H is the most likely one to come at each flip and thus the sequence of HH should be the most likely as well..

Disclaimer: I might be an idiot or missing something crucial.


+ Show Spoiler +
stats are fun eh? intuition is almost never the way to go XD
this wasn't a hard puzzle, i just thought it was interesting -- see the 2nd reply for details
to clarify here though: HH has a 2/3*2/3 = 4/9 chance of winning right away. However, TH wins in every other case which occurs 5/9 of the time.
If you get any of the other cases, TH is going to appear before HH
that's just this example, the 2nd reply in the thread goes into detail on all 4.

Having said that, try and work out the other 3 cases for yourself, the logic is pretty similar, and it's fun xD
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
March 03 2010 21:16 GMT
#7
+ Show Spoiler +
You want to choose second, because you can always choose something that has at least a 33% chance of happening before his sequence starts, and a 33% of 66% (eg. a 22%) chance of happening after his sequence starts, giving you a 55% chance of winning).

For example, if he chooses HH, you choose TH. 33% of the time tail will occur first, and you will definitely win. 66% of the time, head will occur first, meaning you have a 33% chance of still winning.

If he chooses HT, then you choose HH. That gives you a 66% chance that an H will follow an H rather than a T following an H.

If he chooses TH then you choose HT, giving you a 66% chance hitting heads directly and winning.

If he chooses TT, you choose HT, giving you a 66% chance of winning straight up (if it starts H), and another 66% chance of winning if the 33% tail starts.

All in all, you always have a better chance of winning if you can choose first.

Is this right?
Moderator
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-03 22:04:49
March 03 2010 21:24 GMT
#8
Not sure if I should spoiler this, it's just a small observation, and it's likely that the puzzle has already been solved.
+ Show Spoiler +
A HH first pick is countered by TH second pick. The person who picked TH has (Tails first) + (Head first tails second) = 1/3 + 2/3*1/3 = 5/9 chance to win.

Edit: I made calculations.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#60
RotterdaM1125
TaKeTV 433
TKL 364
IndyStarCraft 270
SteadfastSC177
BRAT_OK 128
ZombieGrub104
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1125
ByuN 564
TKL 364
IndyStarCraft 270
SteadfastSC 177
BRAT_OK 128
ZombieGrub104
ProTech92
RushiSC 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4262
Mini 569
EffOrt 229
ggaemo 173
Mong 40
yabsab 18
sorry 11
Dota 2
Gorgc5619
monkeys_forever250
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_51
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0186
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu371
MindelVK10
Other Games
Grubby4027
Beastyqt698
ceh9550
B2W.Neo372
elazer307
shahzam247
XaKoH 166
Pyrionflax166
Livibee136
UpATreeSC116
JuggernautJason68
Trikslyr63
Mew2King56
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV55
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 168
• StrangeGG 41
• Reevou 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2677
Other Games
• imaqtpie946
• Shiphtur496
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 27m
INu's Battles
15h 27m
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 14h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 15h
Patches Events
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.