ATI, why do you hate me? - Page 2

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

February 27 2010 01:34 GMT

#21

none of them agree with you except anandtech

are you kidding?

legit reviews: +2w difference
tom's: +8w at idle, -10w at load
fudzilla: -2w at idle, +10w at load
anandtech: -1w at idle, +17w at load

again, the power consumption is not good (bordering on bad), but it isn't absolutely terrible. The 5850 itself was extremely power efficient in the first place as well. If anything, it should be compared against the GTX 275 and HD 4890, the cards it will be competing against.

as for performance, it is around the same as the release of the 5770. A bit under the previous holder at that pricepoint. Just the 5830 is too expensive.

Edit: Another note about the power consumption is that some reviews are giving it 260W at load, and others are giving it around 350W at load... which is actually something I didn't notice earlier.

semantics

10040 Posts

February 27 2010 01:59 GMT

#22

On February 27 2010 09:38 FragKrag wrote:
isn't that also nvidia's policy?

a gtx 275 is just a crippled gtx 285 no?

Well the diff is that the 5830 mostly are defective chips like their X3 line up which were defective quad cores that were further crippled. Why do you think there is no PBC for it ati just not being lazy buggers.

The 5830 is really a defective then crippled 5870 it's why the draw it high and crap. Again nothing wrong with this so long as the chip works right and they all work just about the same like a AMD did with their X3 cpus which were mostly defective cpus and some of them were purpose defective to meet up with demand :D

Anyways the GTX260 (216) is as much of a GTX285 then a GTX275 all are GT200b arch chips only diff is the shader and core etc crap.

either way i'm not buying from either this gen gonna wait for 28nm and soi to hit both of them. hopefully they get even better gating and power leaks will be at a bare min esp for the fermi as it would really help out with the hot clock and subsequent half clock of the cpu which they couldn't do due to the high leaks in the card so far they aren't reaching their core clock they wanted.

The refresh of the 5xxx should also do well probably add a bit more tessellatiors to it but the over all arch again works well it's just been severally modded over the years form the R600 and this works it's why nvidia new arch the Fermi is similar in fashion highly modular and perfect for scaling, just die shrink and respin and tweak and you have a new card powerful enough to sell but not spending massive money on research of new arch.

Nvidia's failure is that they invest highly into arch for alot of chips, and so alot of their chips aren't related too closely to each other, while ati spends money on new processes and die shrinks and just spends little bit on arch tweaking. For Nvidia this was fine for a year or two but now die shrinks are getting to the price and yield rates that aren't favorable for nvidia and now nvidia has to spend more and more on getting the processes of newer die sizes. Nvidia also needs to start making smaller gpus fermi failure is that it's too fat so the natural defects effects the yield more because they make less chips outta a slap while ati only looses 7 chips outta like (random number) 50 nvidia losses 7 chips outta like 35 and it cost them they same to process the same slab so nvidia has gotten sloppy.

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

February 27 2010 03:39 GMT

#23

lol @ European taxes. That's what you get for living in Europe.

As for ATI cut them some slack. There are some hard problems being solved in the latest generation of GPUs so it's not easy making them faster, better, and cheaper.

The ones that really should complain are linux users. They've gotten the worst kind of driver support out of ATI.

semantics

10040 Posts

February 27 2010 04:09 GMT

#24

Well it's better then when all the drivers had to pretty much remade and compiled by linux users vs companies supplying them.

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

February 27 2010 04:24 GMT

#25

who honestly cares about linux users

WheelOfTime

Canada331 Posts

February 27 2010 06:11 GMT

#26

OP fails.

5830 is $50 cheaper than the 5850.

5830 is essentially a crippled version of the 5870 with a massive heatsink/fan, overclocking results will be off the charts.

It is not a very good card, but definitely not as horrible as the OP suggests.

KOFgokuon

United States14912 Posts

February 28 2010 05:33 GMT

#27

i think it's funny how people can look at the same set of benchmarks and still come out with different conclusions ><

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

February 28 2010 05:52 GMT

#28

I think some of the benchmarks that were made were based on the 5830s ATi sent, whereas some were probably by the partners. I haven't really checked yet though.

The LegionHardware benches actually have it above the 4890 most of the time (except for 3 titles I think). They actually got a 5830 that was just stuffed into a 5870 case (lol). Interestingly enough, the 5870 reference cooler actually did worse than Sapphire's own cooler

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/ati_radeon_hd_5830,1.html

I don't really trust this review though. It seems too different from the others.

Anyways we come up with different conclusions because we base our conclusions off of different benchmarks. I pretty much only use Tom's, Hardwarecancuks, and Anandtech for benchmarks, but they each got different results -_-

meaculpa

United States119 Posts

February 28 2010 14:54 GMT

#29

On February 27 2010 12:39 TanGeng wrote:
lol @ European taxes. That's what you get for living in Europe.

As for ATI cut them some slack. There are some hard problems being solved in the latest generation of GPUs so it's not easy making them faster, better, and cheaper.

The ones that really should complain are linux users. They've gotten the worst kind of driver support out of ATI.

Second that. Their Linux drivers are atrocious, why do they even bother putting them up if they won't work?

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