If people in Norway hear my name they normally think of Satanism and church fires. The press very successfully managed to do what the Judeo-Christians have routinely been doing since the early Middle Ages, and convinced people that the persecuted dissident in question (in this case me) was a mad and dangerous devil worshipper.
I could argue that I never was a devil worshipper, but I think it is better to simply prove that devil worship is a product of the imagination of the Judeo-Christians. When you know that there has never been devil worship in any form in Europe, then you must also understand that there has never been any devil worshippers. When you know that, it should become clear that I cannot possibly have been a devil worshipper either.(read more)
Very interesting article about who the witches and Satanists actually were if you have 5 - 10 minutes to spare.
I also read somewhere else that poor hygiene in the Middle Ages is directly related to Christianity who said it was a sin to wash. Washing was an important part of paganism and is why it was considered unhealthy.
Can't wait for the release of Belus in March so soon now.
Was listening to Ozzy Osbourne on Howard Stern few days ago. He said mumbled this (pretty close to what he said) " We didn't know black magic actually existed when we created black sabbath. We didn't know what the fuck we were doing. We just wanted to make scary music".
On February 01 2010 08:50 Catch]22 wrote: Yay, people rebelling for the sake of rebelling... awesome... urghhh..
youre misguided
first of all varg wasnt much of a poser, he truly wanted to change things around. In this retrospect his music was different. Black metal of that era was racist and anti-christian, varg just couldnt use the profanity of "satanism" as a life goal for himself so he concentrated on nationalism. Thats what was causing the tension between him and euronimus in the first place. mayhem toured all over the place.
he wasnt just rebelling, this isnt nirvana
churches burned, people died. Shit was real. Thats why that infamous "true black" wont ever be reconstructed
On February 01 2010 08:50 sassy wrote: nice OP, i wouldnt think anyone in europe would even dare to quote varg on his nationalistic views. Isnt it a bit taboo?
also what does the blog title have to do with anything? isnt this about burzum instead of satanism?
funny how you linked nocturnal mortum here, would varg approve? they just lowly slavs arent they?
On February 01 2010 08:45 [Fin]Vittu wrote: yeah he did, he killed Euryonmous of Mayhem.
At op@ you should post the song from burzum that goes "this is HUH, WOW"
you mean This is War?
Well I put Satanism since it is what the pagans were accused of. No Varg has nothing against Slavs. Slavs also practised this ancient religion and I think I read something about it existing the longest in Russia right up to the Bolsheviks took over (don't quote me on that) I am 21.
On February 01 2010 09:04 Zoler wrote: my friend told me about this guy who killed a guy from another band omg I thought he was making it up or something o.O
They were in the same band. Varg was the bassist of Mayhem, Euronymous was the guitarist.
his music was very very bad, i don't care about his political beliefs or his stabbings or church burnings or what not, i only want to listen to musicians for their music.
On February 01 2010 09:04 Zoler wrote: my friend told me about this guy who killed a guy from another band omg I thought he was making it up or something o.O
not sure if this will make you feel better but one of the reasons was some 16 year old swedish chick
On February 01 2010 09:16 JohnColtrane wrote: his music was very very bad, i don't care about his political beliefs or his stabbings or church burnings or what not, i only want to listen to musicians for their music.
and he's a huge racist retard anyway
music was revolutionary, burzum was what really made black huge. They got more attention than they ever needed
Varg changes his views, opinions and beliefs every few years it seems. Whether or not he's always stood for nationalism and paganism is highly questionable, but you can't really prove him 100% right or wrong on that one. Gotta hand it to him, he does have a way with words and I enjoy his music as well as his writings.
Just recently he stated in an interview that he is indeed a racist, but doesn't actually "hate" anyone.
Can't wait for Belus either, curious to see what Burzum sounds like after 11 years of inactivity.
Mayhem was a pretty fucked band starting with that really fucking weird Dead guy that eventually killed himself (his stage name ended up being really ironic), the guitarist Euronymous that took pictures of Dead's corpse and using one of the pictures as one of their album covers, and Euronymous himself getting murdered by this guy.
On February 01 2010 09:04 Zoler wrote: my friend told me about this guy who killed a guy from another band omg I thought he was making it up or something o.O
They were in the same band. Varg was the bassist of Mayhem, Euronymous was the guitarist.
It is actually quite amazingly a one man band Euronymous played in one track I 'War' and was his 'producer'.
I don't know how to double quote, but no it was not about some chick. Euronomys planned to kidnap and torture Varg to death while videotaping it for his own pleasure (reason was because people started to despise him and he blamed his shortcomings on Varg). He told his closest friends who told Varg, who confronted him. You can read about it on the website in the first chapters.
On February 01 2010 09:04 Zoler wrote: my friend told me about this guy who killed a guy from another band omg I thought he was making it up or something o.O
not sure if this will make you feel better but one of the reasons was some 16 year old swedish chick
On February 01 2010 09:16 JohnColtrane wrote: his music was very very bad, i don't care about his political beliefs or his stabbings or church burnings or what not, i only want to listen to musicians for their music.
and he's a huge racist retard anyway
music was revolutionary, burzum was what really made black huge. They got more attention than they ever needed
have you actually listened to his music? what's so revolutionary about it
On February 01 2010 08:28 Wotans_Fire wrote: I also read somewhere else that poor hygiene in the Middle Ages is directly related to Christianity who said it was a sin to wash. Washing was an important part of paganism and is why it was considered unhealthy.
This is so false. Christianity never say that its a sin to wash, quite the opposite. Where did you read this?
On February 01 2010 09:23 Wotans_Fire wrote: I don't know how to double quote, but no it was not about some chick. Euronomys planned to kidnap and torture Varg to death while videotaping it for his own pleasure (reason was because people started to despise him and he blamed his shortcomings on Varg). He told his closest friends who told Varg. You can read about it on the website in the first chapters.
Keep in mind though, what you read on burzum.org is Varg's version of what happened. Euronymous obviously can't tell us about it anymore, I guess the truth lies somewhere in between the verdict/Blackthorn's testimony and Varg's "it was self-defense".
On February 01 2010 09:24 JohnColtrane wrote: have you actually listened to his music? what's so revolutionary about it
It's all a matter of opinion. It was revolutionary because there was nothing quite like it ever before. Of course, Mayhem, Emperor, Darkthrone, Immortal etc. already existed by the time the Burzum debut was released, but these were all actual bands with multiple members in their line-up and then there's this one guy that no one really knows anything about and he creates and records several Black Metal masterpieces (again, matter of opinion, but I think I'm not the only one who would call them masterpieces) all by himself.
Also, Burzum's music is intentionally very repetitive and extremely atmospheric, this is further enhanced by the use of ambient interludes (Han Som Reiste, Den Onde Kysten...) and Varg's vocals which were unique back then, to say the least.
On February 01 2010 09:40 PH wrote: I thought the guy was in jail...how's Burzum coming out with a new album? o.O
On February 01 2010 08:28 Wotans_Fire wrote: I also read somewhere else that poor hygiene in the Middle Ages is directly related to Christianity who said it was a sin to wash. Washing was an important part of paganism and is why it was considered unhealthy.
This is so false. Christianity never say that its a sin to wash, quite the opposite. Where did you read this?
In Scandinavian countries, Saturday is called Lördag or Laurdag, the name being derived from the old word laugr/laug (hence Icelandic name Laugardagur), meaning bath, thus Lördag equates to bath-day. This is due to the Viking practice of bathing on Saturdays.
Saturday was a day of washing the house and yourself for Pagans. Is it a coincidence then that everyone thought washing to be unhealthy during the Middle Ages when Christianity took over?
On February 01 2010 09:23 Wotans_Fire wrote: I don't know how to double quote, but no it was not about some chick. Euronomys planned to kidnap and torture Varg to death while videotaping it for his own pleasure (reason was because people started to despise him and he blamed his shortcomings on Varg). He told his closest friends who told Varg, who confronted him. You can read about it on the website in the first chapters.
hope you arent serious about this, youre 21 after all. On the other hand theres some lack of entertainment in denmark so at least i can understand where its coming from. This is probably one of the most hilarious versions i ever heard
and i didnt say he killed him over the chick, i said "one of the reasons" thus just another one of 100 theories brought up as a joke( since zoler is from sweden)
On February 01 2010 09:24 JohnColtrane wrote: have you actually listened to his music? what's so revolutionary about it
everything? i think he was fairly talented. I even liked Dauði Baldrs( still remember studying for my ethnology exam while listening to it)
i guess you have to like the genre in order to appreciate it
On February 01 2010 08:50 sassy wrote: nice OP, i wouldnt think anyone in europe would even dare to quote varg on his nationalistic views. Isnt it a bit taboo?
also what does the blog title have to do with anything? isnt this about burzum instead of satanism?
funny how you linked nocturnal mortum here, would varg approve? they just lowly slavs arent they?
On February 01 2010 10:16 Daemonarch wrote: Varg's main reason for disliking Hitlers nazi regime, was because Hitler himself considered Slavs as inferior race - and not a fellow Aryan people.
His blog is quite insightful about Nordic Mythology archtypes (in Jungian sense). You should probably change your topic name though.
i dont think varg disliked it
in fact his thoughts on the matter were mainly formed while in prison, he did a whole lot of reading and tried to create a concept that benefits scandinavians and their cultural and "national" interests. His views on the matter did change multiple times which is normal, he was only 19 when he went to jail. He developed into a national-socialist then into a nationalist. Hes nowhere as radical as he used to be. With time comes understanding
so dont make large assumptions as to whether he "likes" slavs or not. He has a spot for them in his philosophy which benefits it. But all slavs? Doubtful. Considering that he openly expressed negativism towards muslims( for instance turks) i dont see him accepting macedonians as another "aryan" race( if thats what youre trying to do) I think he will be drifting further away from whole "aryan" and "non-aryan" stratification. Its a silly debate but i am familiar with how it goes
many communities are trying hard to find a way into his world model simply because his words have a completely different merit compared to whatever else is out there these days. But trying to forcefully build something artificial in only makes it less stable
he definitely is still sharp and i am interested to see his new work. At the same time not expecting another explosion( who knows, who knows)
I don't care about how he's some confused loser who's jumped from one moronic reactionary ideology to another (paganism to satanism to national socialism, etc.) or the fact that he killed Euronymous in a hip hop-esque feud, but his music is complete garbage--whiny, grating screams, monotonous, boring guitar riffs, stupid lyrics. The (intentionally) raw production typical of black metal doesn't add any atmosphere for Burzum's music when each guitar riff is so flaccid and the vocals are just him getting anally raped.
On February 01 2010 10:16 Daemonarch wrote: Varg's main reason for disliking Hitlers nazi regime, was because Hitler himself considered Slavs as inferior race - and not a fellow Aryan people.
His blog is quite insightful about Nordic Mythology archtypes (in Jungian sense). You should probably change your topic name though.
i dont think varg disliked it
in fact his thoughts on the matter were mainly formed while in prison, he did a whole lot of reading and tried to create a concept that benefits scandinavians and their cultural and "national" interests. His views on the matter did change multiple times which is normal, he was only 19 when he went to jail. He developed into a national-socialist then into a nationalist. Hes nowhere as radical as he used to be. With time comes understanding
so dont make large assumptions as to whether he "likes" slavs or not. He has a spot for them in his philosophy which benefits it. But all slavs? Doubtful. Considering that he openly expressed negativism towards muslims( for instance turks) i dont see him accepting macedonians as another "aryan" race( if thats what youre trying to do) I think he will be drifting further away from whole "aryan" and "non-aryan" stratification. Its a silly debate but i am familiar with how it goes
many communities are trying hard to find a way into his world model simply because his words have a completely different merit compared to whatever else is out there these days. But trying to forcefully build something artificial in only makes it less stable
he definitely is still sharp and i am interested to see his new work. At the same time not expecting another explosion( who knows, who knows)
You see, you don't THINK that Varg disliked the nazi Germany attitude towards Slavs, and i said i've READ his blog. Got it now?
Varg wouldn't accept Macedonians as Aryans? Slavs(and thus Slavic Nations) ARE Aryans, i thought you were studing subject called Ethnology.
On February 01 2010 22:27 Daemonarch wrote: You see, you don't THINK that Varg disliked the nazi Germany attitude towards Slavs, and i said i've READ his blog. Got it now?
Varg wouldn't accept Macedonians as Aryans? Slavs(and thus Slavic Nations) ARE Aryans, i thought you were studing subject called Ethnology.
we've all read his blog
i can quote you a part about slavs
"You might think the German's stupid view on the Slavs is a "nazi" thing, but (unfortunately?) it seems to be more like a German view, and its roots go back at least to the middle ages - when some German crusader veterans, the Maria Knights and the Swordbrother Knights, joined forces (and formed the Teutonic Order) and went to Christianize the "primitive" heathens (Balts and Slavs) in Prussia, Memel, Kurland, Livland, Estland, Polotsk, Pskov, Ingermanland, et cetera."
he simply talks about the difference between germans and norwegians historically. He states - "however, the Norwegian "nazis" never had a negative view on the Slavs" - thats it. Read my post again, i mentioned varg protecting norwegian interests, not german. He accepts their attitude as historically justified. Nowhere does he mention Hitler or express hatred towards him
when i say "i dont think" i simply express my opinion on the matter, because you only know as much as internet allows you to
im sorry buddy but ethnology doesnt usually operate with "aryans". When it does it differs from the nazi definition the way indians differ from swedes
He expressed appreciation for Slavic culture and mythology on few occasions, and highlighted similarities about Norse and Slavic mythology. He has expressed disgust about Nazi Germany viewpoints also, but yet again i can't be bothered to search for those things again.
I am very much aware of the Ethnology view on the Aryan term, that it doesn't fully classify the thing, and it unnecessarily narrows ethnology as science. Yet again. Proto-Germans, Slavs, Celts they are tribes are accepted as Aryan and ethnologically connected.
P.S. For one who used my country as a reference for argument, please choose/say your country. Just plain curiosity.
he isnt calling ethnology racist, no one in the right mind would
youre trying to play with terminology that is way over your head. Ethnology does use a term "aryan" but it has a completely different meaning compared to the one a typical "nazi" implies( or varg in this case) Ethnological "aryan" is indo-iranian, thus only vaguely tied with indo-european. Indo-europeans spread all over the continent mixing with local tribes. Thats how we got greeks, romans, germans, celts, slavs, balts etc. Even though they have a thing in common( indo-european influence) the tribes that indo-europeans mixed with locally were obviously of a diverse origin, illiryans in the Balkans for instance
the problem is that ethnology doesnt use term "aryan" in order to describe "white european nations", it has little to none descriptive merit. Indo-europeans went into anatolia( modern day turkey) as well. So turks are "aryan" too. Obviously add Iran and India. Seems like this isnt anywhere close to what you've implied, your definition is indeed similar to the one that "nazis" used( or varg at that) The only difference is that "nazis" excluded slavs out of it while varg has a spot for them. Reason for that would be so-called national and political interests. Both definitions are pseudo-scientific and have little to do with ethnology
as Hitler himself stated, if he had to be a communist in order to acquire power in germany he would become one. My advice is - dont get tangled up in the definitions, grasping the concept is a priority here, it always has more importance even if you are slightly off
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