EPTAnyways, fwiw:
Imagine if Idra was still in Korea but he totally sucked (like artosis level maybe a little better).
Would anyone be saying "no he shouldn't be allowed to play!!"
No, they wouldn't.
Don't be jealous children
Should Idra B allowed to play in TSL?
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Anyways, fwiw: Imagine if Idra was still in Korea but he totally sucked (like artosis level maybe a little better). Would anyone be saying "no he shouldn't be allowed to play!!" No, they wouldn't. Don't be jealous children | ||
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BookTwo
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Saturnize
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cutebabyelephant
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Rekrul
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RoieTRS
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BuGzlToOnl
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myfriendPlank
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
If he sucked, he wouldn't be a pro gamer... | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
lol yea i really need to sleep. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:10 RoieTRS wrote: No. Koreans are genetically superior to the rest of the world in every way. Being in korea, as well, instantaneously increases your skill level. So the planetrip makes u better ? | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:15 TimmyMac wrote: What? If he sucked, he wouldn't be a pro gamer... Or maybe if all the current active foreigners didn't suck balls no one would be having this debate. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
No, the kimchi does. | ||
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Glaucus
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:23 Glaucus wrote: Funny that Rekrul creates a blog on Idra considering Idra proved him wrong. Where did Idra prove me wrong? I've never been proven wrong in my life!!!! | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
It's just more motivation for people to play harder. | ||
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RLTY
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
( If he doesn't i will still bump for the selfownage ) | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:26 icemac wrote: I don't think it has anything to do with how good he's playing, it's more of a does he have an extreme advantage the other players in foreign tournaments. To which many people would argue yes. Idra doesn't start with 5 scv's dude. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
Nah just kidding, i've got nothing against Idra, let him play. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
and I don't have beyond A+ practice partners. | ||
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Glaucus
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On January 30 2010 13:24 Rekrul wrote: Where did Idra prove me wrong? I've never been proven wrong in my life!!!! Idra succeeding. And what about losing to Artosis and that boji car thread? | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:30 icemac wrote: and I don't have beyond A+ practice partners. You have jaedong vods man, just copy him. No way you'll lose. | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:31 Rekrul wrote: You have jaedong vods man, just copy him. No way you'll lose. Yea, that's why we're all A+ gosu. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:31 Glaucus wrote: Idra succeeding. And what about losing to Artosis and that boji car thread? Idra succeeded the moment he stepped onto Korean soil. And "succeeding" is not only a very ambiguous word, but also one I never use in serious context or think about ever. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
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Nick_54
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St3MoR
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keep being yourself and contributing to our community, I apprecciate it and i'm sure many people does. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
I always knew I should eat more kimchi... | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Little E-gangs ensuring ongoing domination for the people already at the top of the ladder. THATS NOT FAIR WAHH WAHH WAHHH YELLOW U DESERVE NONE OF UR TITLES o wait u have none | ||
micronesia
United States24604 Posts
"We simply did not want to stop someone from moving to Korea to pursue his dream of becoming a professional StarCraft player." This is the main justification behind letting Idra and a few others participate.... and even rewriting the eligibility rules to ensure it is permissible. This, coupled with offering to reward foreigners for long-term service to the foreigner community is the only reason given by TSL staff from what I've seen for why they are eligible. Supposing SC2 doesn't come out for a long time (not so far fetched lol) and the bw community continues to evolve, what we might find is more and more foreigners going to Korea and training like Idra and one or two others have done recently (granted it probably won't get better but bear with me). Eventually the level of 'foreigner' play eligible according to the current rules will be too high for anyone who doesn't go to train in Korea to compete with (imagine a tsl ladder with 100 Idras). Thus, this seems like an unsustainable system at its core for accomplishing the ultimate goals of the TSL. However, I don't anticipate this actually happening or there being many TSLs prior to sc2 so it isn't a big deal. Still, it is not a ridiculous argument to make that certain people shouldn't be allowed to participate (even if I want them to for personal reasons). edit: ninja quote: "fundamental point that pokerstrategy is sponsoring TSL for it to be a popular and fun event" I disagree. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
And to those making the point that 'its racist to not let koreans play because ur letting idra play and he's in their same situation!' you are idiots too. Koreans polluting this tournament will not make it fun for the foreign audience. We already have the Korean leagues obviously. And the whole Ret ordeal has shown us Koreans are atleast a little bit racist, so fuck them anyways | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:28 valaki wrote: Imagine Idra winning OSL + being 70% in every matchup, should they still allow him to play? Nah just kidding, i've got nothing against Idra, let him play. He would still suck and be Artosis level, so yes he would still be allowed to play | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:51 micronesia wrote: Funny rek, but to get somewhat serious... "We simply did not want to stop someone from moving to Korea to pursue his dream of becoming a professional StarCraft player." This is the main justification behind letting Idra and a few others participate.... and even rewriting the eligibility rules to ensure it is permissible. This, coupled with offering to reward foreigners for long-term service to the foreigner community is the only reason given by TSL staff from what I've seen for why they are eligible. Supposing SC2 doesn't come out for a long time (not so far fetched lol) and the bw community continues to evolve, what we might find is more and more foreigners going to Korea and training like Idra and one or two others have done recently (granted it probably won't get better but bear with me). Eventually the level of 'foreigner' play eligible according to the current rules will be too high for anyone who doesn't go to train in Korea to compete with (imagine a tsl ladder with 100 Idras). Thus, this seems like an unsustainable system at its core for accomplishing the ultimate goals of the TSL. However, I don't anticipate this actually happening or there being many TSLs prior to sc2 so it isn't a big deal. Still, it is not a ridiculous argument to make that certain people shouldn't be allowed to participate (even if I want them to for personal reasons). edit: ninja quote: "fundamental point that pokerstrategy is sponsoring TSL for it to be a popular and fun event" I disagree. I totally agree with you and as I know you know...thats just not the case right now. But yeah it's not far fetched at all to take certain things into consideration in the future if certain players could ruin the suspense and fun of a tournament. (But then again, if prizes are so big and events are so big we should look to the other foreign players to rise to the occasion and get better rather than focus on removing people who are too good...and well if the foreign players can't then thats just sad and don't know why ppl would throw so much money into events.) But right now? With Idra? Please ppl. He's still B-team, he hasn't qualified in any korean leagues yet. Maybe he is the favorite, but he is totally beatable by foreigners. And actually I truly believe the reason why IdrA has gone higher than the curve of foreigners in the past 2 years is not because he's living and playing with koreans, but merely a byproduct of that fact. It's the playing all day every day non stop that played the real role in him improving, rather than him playing those games against the koreans (of course that helps too but not the main factor imo). It's not Idra's fault all the top foreign players these days barely play compared to him. To punish him for slaving away for his 'dream' would be idiotic. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:29 Rekrul wrote: I just find it hilarious how when big prizes start being given out everyone who is totally not effected by them start claiming idiotic justifications for why someone should not be allowed to play without realizing anything about anything. qft | ||
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foxbearcheetah
United States50 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:53 Rekrul wrote: Instead of being little jealous idiots not wanting to see Harry Potter build his Hogwarts bankroll you should just support the tournament. hahahahha. honestly though, imagine a tournament without idra. he's one of the most exciting foreigners and the one i keep an eye on the most. aside from whether or not it is fair, banning a player should only be considered if it helps the overall foreigner scene and right now, i don't see how it even comes close. excluding idra would definitely hurt the legitimacy of any foreign tournament in my eyes. you see artosis posting these showmatches with korean b teamers to show that the skillgap between korea and the rest of the world is closing. saying idra is too good, or an autowin in any tournament would definitely be a step backwards. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
If you're spouting about making TSL "fun" then let's add some dancing bears and naked girls ... | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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251
United States1401 Posts
On January 30 2010 14:20 lac29 wrote: To be honest this is the first TSL I've watched ... and the matches have been a bit eh. I have been generally disappointed by the quality of games. If you're spouting about making TSL "fun" then let's add some dancing bears and naked girls ... dude, we haven't even reached the ro16. it gets really good. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On January 30 2010 14:27 251 wrote: dude, we haven't even reached the ro16. it gets really good. I dunno ... with this much hype I expected the lower rounds to be quality matches ... but only a couple of series were any good imo. | ||
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
and we all know foreigners can take 1,2, or maybe 3 games from idra , but when that happens? 1game of 200 imo so idra is in other lvl of play atm. | ||
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StarsPride
United States364 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:10 RoieTRS wrote: No. Koreans are genetically superior to the rest of the world in every way. Being in korea, as well, instantaneously increases your skill level. Well not exactly, but just about every multiplayer computer game that the Koreans decide to take seriously, they dominate in. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img294.imageshack.us/i/spacesuit.jpg/) A space suit, you say? Anti Idra posts are bad and hilarious. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 30 2010 14:55 Trozz wrote: A space suit, you say? Anti Idra posts are bad and hilarious. lolol nice | ||
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