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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 20 2010 17:44 GMT
#1
For people like Diggity, etc., what program do you use to record your voice and merge the audio file with the video? Or are you just commentating while watching it and record both?

Thanks in advance~
and Gretorp fighting~

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Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 17:53:08
January 20 2010 17:50 GMT
#2
While I am not a commentator (making a commentary for a single occasion does not count), it depends on what material you have to work with. If you are making a commentary of a VOD, you can record your commentary with Audacity and then merge them with something like Movie Maker. If, however, you are making a commentary of a replay, then you need a screen capturing program. I used CamStudio to record mine and I know Diggity likes to use Growler Guncam.

Some of these screen capturing programs allow for simultaneous audio recording as well. However, since that significantly increases the resulting file size, some perfer to just record the screen with it and use Audacity to record their commentary separately.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 20 2010 17:53 GMT
#3
On January 21 2010 02:50 Tom Phoenix wrote:
While I am not a commentator (making a commentary for a single occasion does not count), it depends on what material you have to work with. If you are making a commentary of a VOD, you can record your commentary with Audacity and then merge them with something like Movie Maker. If, however, you are making a commentary of a replay, then you need a screen capturing program. I used CamStudio to record mine and I know Diggity likes to use Growler Guncam.

Some of these screen capturing programs allow for simultaneous audio recording as well. However, since that significantly increases the resulting file size, some perfer to just recording the screen with it and use Audacity to record their commentary separately.


Ah, okay thanks.
And I'm probably going to do something with my FPVODs, not a replay or anything like that.
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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 18:01:28
January 20 2010 17:58 GMT
#4
im sure diggity did a tutorial for exactly this.

edit and here it is
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 20 2010 18:03 GMT
#5
On January 21 2010 02:58 Etherone wrote:
im sure diggity did a tutorial for exactly this.

edit and here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couQUmWYc5Y&feature=player_embedded


Mm. I'm at school and I can't see YouTube, but I did find a FAQ on SC2GG. Thanks as well.~
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
January 20 2010 18:09 GMT
#6
One more thing. Unless someone provides a solution, you might be forced to play in Windowed Mode if you want to be able to record.

While I cannot speak for everyone, at least I personally never managed to record in full screen mode (even when starting to record in-game). The resulting video always ended up being completely dark with some white spots.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 20 2010 18:10 GMT
#7
On January 21 2010 03:09 Tom Phoenix wrote:
One more thing. Unless someone provides a solution, you might be forced to play in Windowed Mode if you want to be able to record.

While I cannot speak for everyone, at least I personally never managed to record in full screen mode (even when starting to record in-game). The resulting video always ended up being completely dark with some white spots.


I have a bunch of FPVODs sitting in a folder, I'm just going to use those. Not as pro as Gretorp so I can't commentate and play
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 20 2010 18:11 GMT
#8
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 20 2010 18:12 GMT
#9
On January 21 2010 03:11 LuckyFool wrote:
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.


I'd probably be swearing half the time and be forced to delete the video because I keep missing macro and reacting late.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
January 20 2010 18:16 GMT
#10
On January 21 2010 03:12 KawaiiRice wrote:
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On January 21 2010 03:11 LuckyFool wrote:
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.


I'd probably be swearing half the time and be forced to delete the video because I keep missing macro and reacting late.

And singing along to PHANTOM MINDS, amirite.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 20 2010 18:17 GMT
#11
Still Astrogation man. I haven't heard PHANTOM MINDS enough.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
January 20 2010 18:19 GMT
#12
woot, moar commentated fpvods of good terrans <3 ~wiggle~
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
January 20 2010 18:22 GMT
#13
On January 21 2010 03:11 LuckyFool wrote:
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.


yeah it's insanely hard to concentrate on the game if you're talking while doing it

i know i played like 10 times worse when i commentated on stream than when i just played music
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 18:34:39
January 20 2010 18:33 GMT
#14
On January 21 2010 03:22 RaGe wrote:
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On January 21 2010 03:11 LuckyFool wrote:
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.


yeah it's insanely hard to concentrate on the game if you're talking while doing it

i know i played like 10 times worse when i commentated on stream than when i just played music

I stalled halfway through every sentence when I tried, but I actually ended up with 240APM overall and a decent commentary still, while owning my clanmate

I'll usually watch the replay/VOD and commentate while watching it though when I do mine.

EDIT: So for FPVODs I just record my stream then after I'm done I load it up and commentate overtop of it.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
January 20 2010 19:13 GMT
#15
i believe petzergling used audacity when we used to put up vids
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Gretorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States586 Posts
January 20 2010 19:31 GMT
#16
On January 21 2010 03:11 LuckyFool wrote:
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.


It's easy GOOD GAME ^^ <3
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
January 20 2010 19:37 GMT
#17
On January 21 2010 04:31 Pr0terg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 03:11 LuckyFool wrote:
commentating and playing is so hard lol but people like it alot more because your thoughts during games really helps lower level players learn how to "think" better.


It's easy GOOD GAME ^^ <3

cant translate my thought into words either.. i just keep silent forso much time
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 20 2010 19:43 GMT
#18
Yay, you're finally gonna commentate your fpvods? :O
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
January 20 2010 19:44 GMT
#19
One day I'll get drunk and play a bunch of bloodbath games with live commentary.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
TeH_Mentalist
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Korea (South)244 Posts
January 20 2010 19:54 GMT
#20
Cool I look forward to hearing your voice compared with your uh "merely adequate" music
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 20:35:32
January 20 2010 20:34 GMT
#21
On January 21 2010 04:43 Pokebunny wrote:
Yay, you're finally gonna commentate your fpvods? :O


It's an attempt. Not a full commitment. Merely a whim~

On January 21 2010 04:54 TeH_Mentalist wrote:
Cool I look forward to hearing your voice compared with your uh "merely adequate" music


Yeah you can talk when you use mosue only thx
@KawaiiRiceLighT
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 20 2010 21:10 GMT
#22
Oh god, Kawaii commentaries, time to unsubscribe...
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 20 2010 21:19 GMT
#23
he probably has such a cute voice too
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 20 2010 21:24 GMT
#24
On January 21 2010 06:19 tonight wrote:
he probably has such a cute voice too


he doesnt
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 20 2010 21:59 GMT
#25
On January 21 2010 06:24 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 06:19 tonight wrote:
he probably has such a cute voice too


he doesnt

Well it could if he prefers a mono-tone voice that yells repetitive phrases!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
January 20 2010 22:11 GMT
#26
On January 21 2010 02:50 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Some of these screen capturing programs allow for simultaneous audio recording as well. However, since that significantly increases the resulting file size, some perfer to just record the screen with it and use Audacity to record their commentary separately.


Personally I don't see how anyone can stand over-complicating their work by recording the audio in a separate program when recording a game. It's just so pointless. The file size increase is microscopic at best, especially since you're dealing with video footage you're going to end up recompressing anyway if you're using fraps (which is more reliable than guncam and doesn't desync sound like camtasia has a habit of doing, at least for me), or in the knowledge that there's no way any kind of lossy or lossless sound compression is going to eat that 2gb size limit on youtube for a 10 minute video. Most programs except for fraps compress the audio in some way. Even a 10 hour mp3 is still tiny compared to a 10 hour h264 video. AAC is a much better codec than mp3, though.

I absolutely despise Audacity and its terrible memory management, using it to record audio separately from starcraft is really just making your situation more difficult and time consuming. There is simply no reason to record audio separately from an ingame replay or during actual play. You have to sync it up afterwards, you have to deal with crappy interfaces, any kind of lag can screw up framerates or timing and make a mess of things... and you get absolutely nothing out of it.

Anyways, since the OP isn't commentating while playing that isn't really an issue. But I've seen a few people mention this kind of thing before and I just can't understand why they would do something so silly.

The newer versions of fraps fix the issue some cpus had with them recording software rendering (including all of mine) that lagged the hell out of starcraft. This makes fraps the #1 choice for recording starcraft now. Guncam is otherwise your second best choice, but it didn't work correctly sometimes for me and doesn't work on windows 7. I've always found camtasia to be absolutely awful because it always desynced the sound no matter what computer hardware I was running or what codecs I set it to use, plus it always ended up destroying the video quality. Camstudio and other programs based on Camtasia always gave me the same problems, at least with Starcraft.

But fraps does make large videos - mostly unrelated to sound recording, it's because the fraps codec has very loose video compression - so have some free HD space. I have about two and a half terabytes dedicated just to uncompressed video recordings from games. Yesterday I commented a game of Starcraft about 50 minutes in length and that turned into about 27gb. It's easy enough just to tie that together in Virtual Dub or Staxrip and poop out a very small file for internet transfer or to cut it up into pooptube compatible lengths, but I use Vegas to do things like block out replay progress and such first.

Typically I record 960x600 videos, sometimes 1920x1200 videos (which is what I'll be doing for sc2 beta), now those eat a lot of space.

Guncam has the advantage of making fairly small files - except for the GCF files it stores data in, you'll want free space for those - but it's a little finicky sometimes.

Since you already have FPVOD's recorded, all you need to do is record audio and then sync it. Which can be a bit annoying, especially if the audio ends up getting recorded at a different framerate than the video (I suspect this is where camtasia was giving me problems but all attempts to fix it failed). If you can, get Adobe Audition for this task rather than Audacity. Even Goldwave is a superior choice.
yoden
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States64 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 03:47:22
January 21 2010 03:45 GMT
#27
To respond to the OP, camtasia is a full-service solution you can use for recording FPVODs with audio and for streaming to livestream (with the help of adobe flash media live encoder). I know others have noted issues with syncing, which may be an issue if you have a low end machine (I have a core i7 with 12GB of ram monster, so it works for me :X)

I believe day[9] uses livestream's actual procaster software, which works fine when you're not using fullscreen starcraft. I've never used it because of this limitation.

Avidemux is also useful for splitting videos and the like.
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