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Well, i thought it was a good movie overall. Why do people say a movies acting/plot is bad just because it had special effects and all of that, like its some intellectual position. The only problem i had with the main character was at first he acted like some 19 year old douche bag, but towards the end he started to change his attitude a bit.
Every story in the history of the world from avatar to the fucking bible has some kid of "plagiarism", and come on of course you know how the movie is going to end ITS A MOVIE. Do we really need to go over the movies that have had any form of "plagiarism"? just seems like a lame point to make considering the vast amounts of movies that you would probably like that have "plagiarized" and considering the other content that had nothing to do with Pocahontas.
If anyone else directed this film I don't think they would have pulled it off like James Cameron has. This is because he had the time and the money to do everything he could to make sure this movie didn't go unnoticed. If Michael Bay would have directed this film instead of James Cameron, it would be a train wreck.
But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion and you did a good job of reviewing one of the best movies that i have seen in a LLLLLOOOOOOOOONNNNNGGG time. Good read.
On January 19 2010 09:14 zergpower123 wrote:
I really enjoyed this movie. I can't wait for the sequel
A sequel would probably ruin the series like most other movie franchises.(Matrix)
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I think the 82% rating on Rotten Tomatoes is pretty spot on. It's a decently good movie with mindblowing visuals but issues regarding plot.
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On January 19 2010 10:04 sassy wrote:i can deconstruct every point youve made up until now in less then 30 minutes. But it makes no sense whatsoever 1. Everything you "came up" with( half the stuff ripped out of official avatar thread but for some reason posted here) was already crushed and proven wrong or irrelevant at that 2. Deconstructing a pile of steaming shit is senseless This kind of sums it up for me. Arguing with you is like pissing against the wind. Whats also hilarious is that 90% of attention whores that called avatar boring( or made separate blogs for just that) come from either scandinavia, germany or canada. You can sit outside all day watching paint dry( snow melt) and it would still be an exhilarating experience for your imagination. Learn to appreciate.
And this speaks to the essence of fanboyism. Rather than engage in an educated discussion about the merits of the film, all you did was dismiss his points as wrong, irrelevant, or whatnot. This is what makes the Avatar thread unbearable. All the people that love the movie are so defensive when anybody speaks out of its flaws. I hate to break it to you; it's not perfect. I wish I had the experience that all the Avatar fanboys had and wish I got swept away with the movie, but there are glaring flaws in the movie that make the experience not as great as I had expected.
I have no idea where you get off with this conjecture about Scandinavians, Germans, and Canadians being attention whores for voicing their opinion of the movie, but so many of you can't see the forest for the trees that you don't notice some of the flaws if it hit you in the face.
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I fucking loved this movie SOOOOOOOOO much.
Probably my favourite movie of all time now ^_^
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I completely agree with all the points OP made, except I didn't even care about the Na'vi princess (don't even care enough to remember the name). I really hope the 3D technology gets less expensive in the future. Imagine movies like the Titanic in 3D 
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I was very favorably impressed by the movie, but I came in with low expectations.
The imagination that went into the flora and fauna of Pandora, and the vividness of their representation, was mostly what impressed me.
The plot kept me going, although I wasn't really thrilled except when Sully decided to ride the Mercedes-Benz dragon. That moment was awesome.
Overall I was impressed, but I wouldn't go out of my way --- or pay! --- to watch it again.
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omg you only gave it a 4 you suck your opinion doesn't matter you're so stupid you don't even know what you're talking about this is the best movie of all time and you just can't understand it omg you suck
+ Show Spoiler +I forgot that Giovanni Ribisi was Phoebe's brother LOL looking back now he wasn't quite the perfect actor for the part
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i regret watching it in 3D
ruined the entire fucking experience for me
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Personally, I thought Lord of the Rings Trilogy was better
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On January 19 2010 13:05 WindCalibur wrote:
Personally, I thought Lord of the Rings Trilogy was better
Well duh!
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On January 19 2010 08:35 Snet wrote:
Thanks for actually putting some effort into your thread compared to other Avatar threads floating around this site. I agree, the story and characters were pretty bad, but the visuals were excellent (and good enough to be worth the watch).
My conclusion is about the same as yours. It is worth the money to see it in imax, but I would definitely not watch it a second time, or buy the dvd.
Took the words right out my mouth
I hated the plot, it was so freaking obvious that the Avatar-people were going to win the war and Jack was going to help them out instead.
And I also agree that I didn't give a shit that his fellow human friends died, even Grace
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Will have to make a distinction between 'good' plot or 'inconsistency/holes'.
What is a good plot is highly subjective, something that supports the visuals, in Avatar's case can be considered good enough or lacking by others. I'm not going to go there, as I said all in the eye of the beholder.
The other aspect is specific critiques of the narrative/script, something that almost anyone can pick up. This is the part where characters are a tad confused, behaves differently for no apparent reason or random events that seems to add no value. These are what I believe Avatar stumbled on.
In addition to those mentioned by the OP,
Doc goes 'this is amazing Navi's are connected to the planet! The anticipation builds. Then the 'grand revelation' fizzles and comes to nothing: 'they can hear voices' LOL..I thought the response from the corporate was perfectly justified.
It was established how sacred the bond with animals via the universal plug is, then Jack went for the Mercedez anyway, hah! Sure supposedly it's his "only choice" but the connection is very loose.
Jack establishes himself as the war leader of the natives atop a legendary mount. After going through the formalities, out of the blue goes: "oh btw please help my friend!" Very random and 0 emotional impact.
The Na'vi, they Are a bunch of savages. With the human equalivent emotional maturity of 15 year olds. Father died, but cometh legendary creature all is forgotten. Betrothed was stolen, will only stare and make angry face. Bandwagoners of the highest order (easily stirred with corny football moviesque fist pumping) and yet goes about face just as easily - we must not leave -> bomb -> we leave.
All these aside, there are moments in the movie that made me smile unconsciously. So a few pluses and many minuses execution wise, still mostly enjoyable.
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Good graphics, bad story. I wouldn't rank Avatar as one of my favorite movies. It's one of those movies that I just need to watch once, reflect on it for a while and then forget about it.
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First of all, thanks for all the posts everyone. It's always nice to see a good discussion going on, and there are some points I'd like to adress.
On January 19 2010 10:04 sassy wrote:
i can deconstruct every point youve made up until now in less then 30 minutes. But it makes no sense whatsoever
You didn't bother making a proper post, because 'it makes no sense whatsoever'? Good I guess, but then why post at all?
1. Everything you "came up" with( half the stuff ripped out of official avatar thread but for some reason posted here) was already crushed and proven wrong or irrelevant at that
Firstly, I haven't red the Avatar thread for fear of spoilers: I doubt I'm going to, since it's 70+ pages and people haven't exactly advertised it well in this thread. All these thoughts were my own, so you can back off on that account. Secondly, if they're so easy to 'crush', go right ahead, I'm waiting.
2. Deconstructing a pile of steaming shit is senseless
I'm not going to add anything here, since I agree. I don't think my post is 'steaming shit' - actually quite a few moments went into making it - ,though, and most people seem to share that view.
This kind of sums it up for me. Arguing with you is like pissing against the wind.
You haven't tried have you? I dislike the thought of an Avatar sequel because:
A) The story is not good enough to warrant it
B) The story, with all its flaws, still managed to reach and ending that tied up all the untied knots (A sequel will most likely just be the humans returning for more unobtanium (The Core anyone?), and thus we have a remake of the first movie, with slightly different characters: not worth the 200 million sorry)
C) Sequels very rarely match the quality of the first one
Whats also hilarious is that 90% of attention whores that called avatar boring( or made separate blogs for just that) come from either scandinavia, germany or canada. You can sit outside all day watching paint dry( snow melt) and it would still be an exhilarating experience for your imagination.
I'm assuming you've done research and aren't just pulling those numbers out your ass: oh, wait, you are, meaning that discussing this is going to be entirely pointless, so let's move right along. Also you seem to think I think Avatar is a bad movie; it's not, but it's not amazing either. I gave it 4/6 because that's what it is: above average. (and yes I weighed the special effects quite heavily in that score)
Learn to appreciate.
What bullshit. Should I appreciate it even when it's not perfect? I think TealLurker put it best:
"All the people that love the movie are so defensive when anybody speaks out of its flaws. I hate to break it to you; it's not perfect. I wish I had the experience that all the Avatar fanboys had and wish I got swept away with the movie, but there are glaring flaws in the movie that make the experience not as great as I had expected."
Someone mentioned Pans Labyrinth. Go watch that, that's a good movie. Not as much eye-candy, granted, but the story and the characters are so well constructed it's hard not go get emotionally attached, something I never was with Avatar.
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On January 19 2010 10:19 Khaymus wrote:
You forgot one of the major aspects of the movie. Music!
The music in this movie is just plain beautiful. I could watch this movie a thousand times just for the environment and music.
I must respectfully disagree on the music. It wasn't particularly outstanding or memorable, though it might be pleasant to listen to.
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Goliath on- I mean uh...cool original machines.
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avatar was a really nice movie and u dont know shit about movies/acting, why? because u said the cast was shit and sorry mate but the guy that played Jake Sully played a really well crippled soldier.oh and the bad ass sergeant was like a marine from starcraft riding a goliath. lolz.
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about the pocahantas thing: it's called the hero's journey
also did anyone else notice that the story is almost exactly the same as district 9 lol
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On January 19 2010 08:12 Hans-Titan wrote:
[...]because he gets to date the tribe leader’s daughter as an Avatar (which, by the way, includes a love scene this movie could’ve been without).
Wasn't this cut from the theatrical release? I saw the movie 2 times and the scene cut off pretty quickly. See here under the Spoiler category:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/trivia
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On January 19 2010 10:24 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2010 09:14 zergpower123 wrote:
I really enjoyed this movie. I can't wait for the sequel A sequel would probably ruin the series like most other movie franchises.(Matrix)
Terminator 2 was better than 1.
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