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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
January 12 2010 21:38 GMT
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When I first got my hands on the english version of the book (The Shack) I was really excited. I bought it for 10 € in a german bookstore and expected it to change the way I think about god / religion because ... you know, this is what the description claims.

If you don't know what I'm talking about here is the product description: + Show Spoiler [The Shack] +

The Shack is the most absorbing work of fiction I've read in many years. My wife and I laughed, cried and repented of our own lack of faith along the way. The Shack will leave you craving for the presence of God. Michael W. Smith, Recording Artist --Michael W Smith, Recording Artist - personal endorsement

Reading The Shack during a very difficult transition in my life, this story has blown the door wide open to my soul. Wynonna Judd, Recording Artist --Wynonna Judd, Recording Artist - personal endorsement

This book has the potential to do for our generation what John Bunyan's 'Pilgrim's Progress' did for his. It's that good! Eugene Peterson, author --Eugene Peterson, Professor Emeritus of Spiritual Theology, Regent College, Vancouver, B.C.


Product Description
Mackenzie Allen Philips' youngest daughter, Missy, has been abducted during a family vacation and evidence that she may have been brutally murdered is found in an abandoned shack deep in the Oregon wilderness. Four years later in the midst of his Great Sadness, Mack receives a suspicious note, apparently from God, inviting him back to that shack for a weekend.
Against his better judgment he arrives as the shack on a wintry afternoon and walk back into his darkest nightmare. What he finds there will change Mack's world forever.

In a world where religion seems to grow increasingly irrelevant The Shack wrestles with the timeless question, Where is God in a world so filled with unspeakable pain? The answers Mack gets will astound you and perhaps transform you as much as it did him. You'll want everyone you know to read this book.


The reason I bought The Shack was because I liked the plot (spending a weekend with god, hell yeah!) and the cover was very promising with all those advertisements and references to Pilgrim's Progress.

I didn't buy the german version (Die Hütte) because books that were originaly written in english are sometimes poorly translated. For example if you buy Terry Pratchett's Discworld books chances are great that you miss some of the jokes because they just make no sense if translated into German. (Thinkig about it now I guess I didn't have an option anyway because there was only the english version at that time)

Since I've never heard of The Shack before, the first thing I've done when I arrived at home still holding the book in my hands was to check Amazon customer reviews to see if other people liked it.

I sure was surprised:

Amazon.com:
~3000 Reviews; ~2700 of them are rated 4 or 5 stars

Amazon.de:
~100 Reviews; ~ 80 of them are rated 4 or 5 stars

I realized that this was indeed a pretty famous book in America but still unknown in Europe / Germany. I did not read any of the reviews because I was afraid of spoilers and since most of them were positive anyway I decided that it was a wise decision to spend my money on The Shack. I began to read...

Oh boy, I never was so disappointed before. Not even when I "tried" to screw my GF for the first time and did not get a hard-on because I was too nervous. Okay, well ... I take that back.

Anyway: THIS WAS THE WORST BOOK I'VE READ IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. It is boring, poorly written and some passages are simply wrong. How can people not see this? I really wish I could get my money back. Honestly, I enjoy the weekly McDonald's cinema reviews much more than this crap.

I freakin' can't believe that this book was sold several million times. It was for 70 weeks on the NYT best seller list. What the hell on earth?? I was so confused how this book can be liked by so many well educated people.

I checked Amazon once again and couldn't believe the hype. People praising that this book changed their lives etc. WHAT??

After I explained to my GF what this book is about I asked her(she reads a lot of historical books) if this makes any sense to her. I just wanted to make sure that it's not me who has some kind of "stupid" book taste. Her answer was: "If I were you I would have stopped reading right when Mack found out that God is an African women who lives in a shack togehter with a Tim Taylor lookalike and casper the ghost".

So that was the day I lost hope in humanity and decided to never ever buy again a book that is on the NYT bestseller list.

My attempt to never think about this book again failed hard. This book is just going to be as big in Europe as it was in America. I see advertisements every day on my way to the university. People are reading it on the train or bus and it just follows me like a ghost.

Still thinking that I have missed something spectacular in the book I decided today to check the internet for the last time to see if things have changed. Hell, I was so relieved to see people (like me!) NOT LIKING THE BOOK. In fact, this book is meeting with heavy criticism. There is a bunch of famous people (including Christians) who don't like this product at all. THANK Allah!.

There is one good customer review I'd like to share with you because this is exactly how I felt when I was reading.

+ Show Spoiler [How to Further Alienate Non-Believers…] +
As you can guess from the title of this review, I am not a believer. I only read this book because someone very close to me, who is a Christian, sort of slipped it in, saying it had gotten great reviews and that she "thought I would like it." As in, thought it would awaken some deep god-shaped hole in me and thereby somehow bring me out of my hellbound outcast state and into salvation.

There are several reasons why that didn't happen, and most likely won't happen if you give this book to a nonbeliever.

#1, and I do not mean to be offensive here, atheists/nonbelievers tend to be well educated and well read. That means if you give them a book that is poorly written and dumbed down, they will end up discounting it, even if they begin by trying to be objective. To say this book is poorly written is putting it mildly. It reads like a romance written by a seventh-grader in her secret journal. The characterizations are hackneyed at best, nonexistent at worst, the scenario so ridiculous that suspending one's disbelief is simply not worth the effort. For this reason alone, most nonbelievers will not even make it to the end of the book, and will come away even more certain that Christians have to be pretty stupid if they really think such claptrap classes as good writing.

#2, it does nothing toward resolving the question of suffering. This conundrum: How can a good god allow suffering?, looms very large to many nonbelievers. As in point #1, if you are dealing with someone who is well educated and intelligent, you had better be able to discuss things on their level. This book is so childish no educated person could take it seriously. God stating that he is "there for" victims of the most horrible suffering, does not answer the original question: Why does he permit that suffering in the first place? The question of suffering is not to be taken lightly, as it is at the root of many people's nonbelief. For instance, the book did nothing to answer my personal question: Why do I have a genetic illness? If the best answer Christians can come up with is, "It's a mystery," that's a problem. You guys are going to have to come up with something cogent and compelling, and "But god will be there for you while you're suffering" isn't it.

#3, although you may think that books like *The Shack* will make unbelievers at least curious enough to read the Bible, wherein they will discover the ultimate truth and become Christians, it doesn't work that way. You would be surprised at how many nonbelievers have already read the Bible, even multiple times. Sometimes they got their biblical exposure at church in their previous life, sometimes they have read it so they can debate Christians on their own ground, sometimes just out of curiosity. Most nonbelievers aren't impressed with the Bible, seeing it as a compilation of ancient Middle Eastern myth (Old Testament) and the syncretic "theology" of Judaism version 2.0 (New Testament). *The Shack,* being poorly written and reasoned, is not going to convince them otherwise.

#4, it is insulting to realize you are viewed as a "Missy Project" case. When I understood why the person gave me the book, I was angered. There was nothing special in her giving me the book, she was just casting her net to try and increase Christianity's numbers (and get in good with Papa?). This is absolutely guaranteed to further convince nonbelievers that Christians are insincere and are just trolling for bodies rather than really caring about where nonbelievers are actually coming from.

So this is as much a warning as a review. If you are thinking of Missy-izing people, think again. As a nonbeliever I found the whole *Shack* experience distasteful and off-putting. It did not make me believe or even want to believe; rather it confirmed for me that Christianity is not where the answers are. If you are seriously trying to reach a nonbeliever, you should do it face-to-face, one-to-one, over a long period of time, respectfully, and intelligently. *The Shack*/Missy Project is the absolute opposite of this and thus will fail every time.


I really ENJOY the controversy that is going on about The Shack, because there obviously is so much wrong with this book and just so few people actually recognize it.

If you're interested you can check here how many mistakes have been made.

Also make sure to listen to the Audio Interview with the book autor. It is hilarious! I laughed several times just by hearing this. The Moderator gets so angry. Really, do it!

If you're an atheist (like me) than this interview is SO funny. It is unbelievable what these two men are arguing about. The Moderator always quotes the bible and completely destroys the arguments of William P. Young.

Moderator: "Have you died???" *angry voice*
P. Young: "absolutely"
Moderator: "Good, I'm glad you said that because this is the right answer. Yes, you've died..." [...]

I can't believe that this is something that Christians truly think. So, we're all dead?

Anyway, what I'd like to know is (assuming you've read the book) if you liked The Shack or not and why. I really would like to hear some opinions of people that are close to my age and generally have something in common with me (BW =))

Just to make clear: I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God and probably never will. But I do like to discuss about this stuff and I enjoy reading "religious" books because I'm still looking for something that is going to explain me why so many people believe in God. I have not found such a thing yet and The Shack did not hold its promises.


iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 12 2010 21:41 GMT
#2
I wonder where this blog will go? hmm

Or rather, over under on IdrA posts in here?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 12 2010 21:46 GMT
#3
You don't understand why people believe in god?

Protip: It isn't because of "The Shack"
RIP Aaliyah
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 12 2010 21:53 GMT
#4
Also when did physician write a book?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
January 12 2010 21:57 GMT
#5
I thought this was going to be about http://www.shacknews.com
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
January 12 2010 21:59 GMT
#6
I thought this was related to the op's name because shacks are generally referred to as toolsheds.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 22:06:40
January 12 2010 22:05 GMT
#7
Oh boy, I never was so disappointed before. Not even when I "tried" to screw my GF for the first time and did not get a hard-on because I was too nervous. Okay, well ... I take that back.

lol, it must be one terrible book!
Actually when I started reading this post i kinda got interested in the book (I've never heard of it before), but you totally dissuaded me by the end

(unrelated: how did you come up with your ID?)
BW fighting!
Toolshed
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
January 12 2010 22:08 GMT
#8
Omg. I laughed out loud when I read the first 5 replies. Exactly what I expected from my fellow TeamLiquidians. Sorry to disappoint you guys, haha.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
January 12 2010 22:10 GMT
#9
When wars happen just out of conviction, having a book like this no big suprise to be honest, I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find more topsellers or famous books that are when looked at it from objective pov bad, but still score high duo to mainly beeing red by beliefers of that religion or better said, the majority of population beeing of that belief.

Also isn't the USA highly christian populated? Oh wiki says 76% from 2008 numbers (dno how reliable that is) 76.0% url

cnn :
Seventy-five percent of Americans call themselves Christian, according to the American Religious Identification Survey from Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut. In 1990, the figure was 86 percent.
url

rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
January 12 2010 22:11 GMT
#10
Thank God that number's dropping.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28616 Posts
January 12 2010 22:20 GMT
#11
im an atheist but I think you're wrong on multiple levels
firstly you need to realize that when a christian who believes in an afterlife tries to win you over to christianity, this person is from his or her own perception doing you the biggest favour humanly possible to do. it's not "trolling for more people", it's "genuinely concerned that you will lose out on the blissful eternal afterlife and in the worst case be eternally damned". frankly, I think any christian that actually believes in an afterlife needs to spend his or her entire life converting nonbelievers to avoid being a horrible human - because believing in an afterlife and not attempting to convert people is comparable to not helping a guy suffering intense immense everlasting torture when you are capable of bringing this person bliss.
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ArmChairCritic
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden36 Posts
January 12 2010 22:22 GMT
#12
On January 13 2010 07:11 rgfdxm wrote:
Thank God that number's dropping.

I c wut u did there
An intellectual is a person who has found one thing that is more interesting than sex.
Toolshed
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 23:00:57
January 12 2010 22:32 GMT
#13
On January 13 2010 07:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
im an atheist but I think you're wrong on multiple levels
firstly you need to realize that when a christian who believes in an afterlife tries to win you over to christianity, this person is from his or her own perception doing you the biggest favour humanly possible to do. it's not "trolling for more people", it's "genuinely concerned that you will lose out on the blissful eternal afterlife and in the worst case be eternally damned". frankly, I think any christian that actually believes in an afterlife needs to spend his or her entire life converting nonbelievers to avoid being a horrible human - because believing in an afterlife and not attempting to convert people is comparable to not helping a guy suffering intense immense everlasting torture when you are capable of bringing this person bliss.


Ok, I see your point but you're talking about people that are already Christians. What I'd like to know is WHY these people believe in God and what made them believe in him (and afterlife for that matter). Listening to that interview showed me (once again) how insane this religion-stuff is. If I hear two adults arguing about the question if they are dead or not ... I can't grasp that. This is not logical at all and it makes just no sense.

In The Shack "Papa" (that's how God is called there) has scars on his hands and the moderator and the book author are discussing whether God was in Jesus while Jesus was crucified. I expected one of them to start laughing in realization that they're talking about bullshit. But instead they came to the conclusion that they are both indeed already dead. What??? How can this be a serious topic between two ~40 years old men? No offense meant.

My assumption is that when I find someone or something that can prove to me that God exists than maybe I will start believing and have a better live? But until than I will continue to think that most of the Christians just waste their time which could be spend better.
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I think that most of the religious people are just afraid to admit that there is no God because THEORETICALLY there COULD be a God, right? But there could also be a Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM, google it, very funny) and miraculously people don't believe in it. Parents tell their children that there is a God and they start to believe. Parents also tell their children about Santa Claus. But unlikely to Santa Claus they never stop to believe in God. Why? Fear of the possibility of the existence of God. + Show Spoiler +
There is no God!
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
January 12 2010 22:40 GMT
#14
So I read half, and haven't touched it since. This might be the 1st time in 6 years that I haven't finished a book. The book was written by someone of my skill level and the god character was rather shallow which is kinda not what you would expect. I really don't see what makes this such a great book and the review

"This book has the potential to do for our generation what John Bunyan's 'Pilgrim's Progress' did for his. It's that good! Eugene Peterson, author --Eugene Peterson, Professor Emeritus of Spiritual Theology, Regent College, Vancouver, B.C."

is kind of laughable.( not that this reflects on the book)

leetchaos
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States395 Posts
January 12 2010 22:45 GMT
#15
That interview is LOL
SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
January 12 2010 23:03 GMT
#16
I've been recommended it myself and couldn't wade through the first few pages... the writing style got under my skin a bit, so I just put it down and chalked it up to experience.

I hate to say it, because I know a lot of effort goes into books, but sometimes they're just not worth giving the time to read one
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 12 2010 23:15 GMT
#17
the guy in the review should have bought her the god delusion in return
Toolshed
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
January 12 2010 23:17 GMT
#18
On January 13 2010 07:05 538 wrote:
(unrelated: how did you come up with your ID?)


I enjoy listening to Tool (Band). Toolshed was one of the names they were considering to choose before they were formed. But Maynard later decided to take Tool and my nickname was born (or to say it in a more godly fashion: created)

Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28616 Posts
January 12 2010 23:18 GMT
#19
people are different.. let them be. if you feel superior just because you don't believe in god then that's not really any different from thinking you're superior for believing in god. ;(
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Toolshed
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
January 12 2010 23:34 GMT
#20
On January 13 2010 08:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
people are different.. let them be. if you feel superior just because you don't believe in god then that's not really any different from thinking you're superior for believing in god. ;(


Eh ... I didn't mean to offend someones feeling. I thought I made clear that I'm looking for explanations rather than to ask for trouble.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 12 2010 23:35 GMT
#21
On January 13 2010 08:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
people are different.. let them be. if you feel superior just because you don't believe in god then that's not really any different from thinking you're superior for believing in god. ;(

Uh no, there are plenty of reasons to argue that there is harm in religion. I could also claim that basing your beliefs (and in turn your actions and behavior) on free-thought, science and observation, rather than non-credible scriptures advocating moral views of past milennia, is superior. Still, that's not to say I as a person am in any way superior.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28616 Posts
January 12 2010 23:55 GMT
#22
aggressive atheism is just as annoying as aggressive missioning, but it's worse because the motivation stems from a superiority complex rather than a desire to grant someone eternal blissful happiness.

there's no harm in religion by default, merely some (many) interpretations of religion.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 12 2010 23:59 GMT
#23
On January 13 2010 07:32 Toolshed wrote:
I think that most of the religious people are just afraid to admit that there is no God because THEORETICALLY there COULD be a God, right? But there could also be a Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM, google it, very funny) and miraculously people don't believe in it. Parents tell their children that there is a God and they start to believe. Parents also tell their children about Santa Claus. But unlikely to Santa Claus they never stop to believe in God. Why? Fear of the possibility of the existence of God. + Show Spoiler +
There is no God!

Hint: Not everyone half-asses their way through their Christian life just because they're told to believe in a god.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7216 Posts
January 13 2010 00:09 GMT
#24
I thought this was going to be about http://www.shacksm.com/
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