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Ive always cheesed my way up the ladder 9pooling D protoss and zergs. i never once laddered completely as 1 race. never. i always offrace because i have no confidence in myself. just recently, i got confidence after seeing how bad Ds are after cheesing so many of them..
Saturaday was such a goooood day. i was 4-0 on saturday. funny. the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. Yesterday, i was 1-1. I didnt lose that badly to a Japanese player and i got a win because a zerg left when i found his third..... today was so horrible i felt like crying. my 5-1 record became 5-7 and i lost to so many shit i was TRAINED to stop. I was ling allined, had a game where the terran threw away all his scvs for a proxy bunker rush... and i lost to D-s and i kept disconnecting when i wanted to play PvZ afterwards. I also only played on my best maps..... HBR and Destination. now its korean times and i cant melee anymore for today or else my 5-7 will get worse and ill be stuck in E rank. tomorrow is a new day. i wonder what gamescheese ill play against tomorrow!
  
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if it makes you feel better i was 3-12 after the first day. i dont guess 31-41 is much better but with persistance you will eventually hit d+ or whatever your high was
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"i got confidence after seeing how bad D's are".... you're D. You dodge koreans, you lose to stupid cheese, you only play two maps, you care way to much about your stats, you d/c and you start by bragging about how you always used to cheese and end by complaining that there's so many cheesers. Is this that trolling thing?
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United Kingdom4282 Posts
You should try not give a shit about your stats or rank. If you can't do that, then just make another account where you don't care if it's korean time, or if it's a bad day or you're tired. You can then warm up on that account and if you feel like you're playing well go onto your "main" one.
At the moment you're only playing a few games a day, hell it usually takes me that many games just to warm up and play at my normal level.
And by d/c I think he means when iccup server was going funny.
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9pool is an incredibly standard opening, vs both Terran and Protoss, you'd be an idiot to say it was cheese.
You're pretty down on D's though for caring about a 5-7 record while dodging Koreans... I'd reevaluate your criticism of others and how seriously you take the ladder.
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try scouting.... idk that usually stops cheese..
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You are not a progamer. Don't be so bizarre about it.
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You 9 pool zergs? damn that's cheesy. Unless you're trolling you need to realise you're a d/d- and not worry so much about losing to fellow noobs.
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5-7 is nothing. Keep trying.
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If you feel like crying being of losses you need to realize that you suck.
And you will keep sucking.
Until you get better.
But until then you suck.
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you guys do know 9pool is like the ultimate noob killer right?
im annoyed that i lost games i could have won. i scouted the 3hat speedling ( i think it was 2 fml) and i scouted the empty terran base and the rax lifting into my main.
im also annoyed by the fact that if i went 0-6 after going 5-1. i dont care about the record. i care about not being able to win a single game after a winstreak
edit: i think the point of ladder for many is to oh idk go up in the rankings?
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this is boring 
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On January 12 2010 11:05 zekie wrote:this is boring
im sorry i didnt entertain you. maybe next time.
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On January 12 2010 10:18 FabledIntegral wrote:
9pool is an incredibly standard opening, vs both Terran and Protoss, you'd be an idiot to say it was cheese.
9pool isn't standard vs Terran.
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u shouldn't care that much about ur newbass rank, i mean who cares if u go 5-125 just keep playing
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KenpachiMarine? Cause if this is you, I thought you were good from the way you criticized that one long game between me and tofu.
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It's time to practice non-cheese builds. Cheese won't work on everyone as your try to accend, and your skills of more 'standard" games will continue to diminish. You'll be trapped forever unless you change things up some, steer towards standard and make cheese 1/5 or less of your games.
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On January 12 2010 10:52 Pokebunny wrote:5-7 is nothing. Keep trying.
I admire your tenacity.
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On January 12 2010 11:00 Kenpachi wrote:
you guys do know 9pool is like the ultimate noob killer right?
im annoyed that i lost games i could have won. i scouted the 3hat speedling ( i think it was 2 fml) and i scouted the empty terran base and the rax lifting into my main.
im also annoyed by the fact that if i went 0-6 after going 5-1. i dont care about the record. i care about not being able to win a single game after a winstreak
edit: i think the point of ladder for many is to oh idk go up in the rankings?
lol, dont care about rank but care about not winning? I know winning is a good feeling, but to get better you have to lose, if you're losing a bunch in a row that's usually a good thing as it means you're playing people who are either better than you, or are playing better than you in those particular games and some combination of both.
I think the point of laddering for many is not to go up in ranks but to be able to play against people of similar skill levels in a generally hack free environment that is moderated.
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I hope to have a pokebunny-like season :D 43-73 so far T_T
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Sometimes you just need to stop and take a break. I recently went like 0-17 in a day simply cause I was pissed at myself every time I lost a game and I immediately tried to win another one, but kept failing cause I didn't have the right mentality.
As long as you're learning, you'll be fine. Everyone has off days. Can't win em all.
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On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. So true. ^_^
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On January 12 2010 11:25 HazMat wrote:
KenpachiMarine? Cause if this is you, I thought you were good from the way you criticized that one long game between me and tofu.
...... no. dont get me mixed up >>..
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On January 12 2010 11:00 Kenpachi wrote:
you guys do know 9pool is like the ultimate noob killer right?
im annoyed that i lost games i could have won. i scouted the 3hat speedling ( i think it was 2 fml) and i scouted the empty terran base and the rax lifting into my main.
im also annoyed by the fact that if i went 0-6 after going 5-1. i dont care about the record. i care about not being able to win a single game after a winstreak
edit: i think the point of ladder for many is to oh idk go up in the rankings?
no the "ultimate noob killer" is solid play. You are bad but your on the right track; the players who are cheesing you and winning are duplicates of what you described yourself to be before you started laddering for "real". Let go of your pride, you're a noob, you don't need to make excuses why you lost, you just need to take it in stride. Your stats don't matter, the whether you won or lost your last game doesn't matter, just keep playing and keep thinking about your play. You say you lack confidence, that confidence doesn't come from winning, it comes from playing a lot of games until your comfortable in game. We've all been where you've been and it's probably the least pleasant phase of bw development but once you've gotten comfortable; once your a solid D maybe even D+ player the game becomes much more relaxing and enjoyable. gl hf
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On January 12 2010 11:34 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 11:00 Kenpachi wrote:
you guys do know 9pool is like the ultimate noob killer right?
im annoyed that i lost games i could have won. i scouted the 3hat speedling ( i think it was 2 fml) and i scouted the empty terran base and the rax lifting into my main.
im also annoyed by the fact that if i went 0-6 after going 5-1. i dont care about the record. i care about not being able to win a single game after a winstreak
edit: i think the point of ladder for many is to oh idk go up in the rankings? no the "ultimate noob killer" is solid play. You are bad but your on the right track; the players who are cheesing you and winning are duplicates of what you described yourself to be before you started laddering for "real". Let go of your pride, you're a noob, you don't need to make excuses why you lost, you just need to take it in stride. Your stats don't matter, the whether you won or lost your last game doesn't matter, just keep playing and keep thinking about your play. You say you lack confidence, that confidence doesn't come from winning, it comes from playing a lot of games until your comfortable in game. We've all been where you've been and it's probably the least pleasant phase of bw development but once you've gotten comfortable; once your a solid D maybe even D+ player the game becomes much more relaxing and enjoyable. gl hf
That there is false. I played so many games. SOOOOOOOOO many games. i still felt scared. maybe for you, playing gave you confidence. for me, i had to win. until i won, i felt like i was going to lose. im not going to argue about 9pool and i always thought cheese was an easy way to win o_O..
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On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
Ive always cheesed my way up the ladder 9pooling D protoss and zergs. i never once laddered completely as 1 race. never. i always offrace because i have no confidence in myself. just recently, i got confidence after seeing how bad Ds are after cheesing so many of them..
Saturaday was such a goooood day. i was 4-0 on saturday. funny. the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. Yesterday, i was 1-1. I didnt lose that badly to a Japanese player and i got a win because a zerg left when i found his third..... today was so horrible i felt like crying. my 5-1 record became 5-7 and i lost to so many shit i was TRAINED to stop. I was ling allined, had a game where the terran threw away all his scvs for a proxy bunker rush... and i lost to D-s and i kept disconnecting when i wanted to play PvZ afterwards. I also only played on my best maps..... HBR and Destination. now its korean times and i cant melee anymore for today or else my 5-7 will get worse and ill be stuck in E rank. tomorrow is a new day. i wonder what gamescheese ill play against tomorrow!
Stop being a pussy and man up. If you cant beat D level Koreans then you are not a D level player.
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On January 12 2010 11:46 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
Ive always cheesed my way up the ladder 9pooling D protoss and zergs. i never once laddered completely as 1 race. never. i always offrace because i have no confidence in myself. just recently, i got confidence after seeing how bad Ds are after cheesing so many of them..
Saturaday was such a goooood day. i was 4-0 on saturday. funny. the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. Yesterday, i was 1-1. I didnt lose that badly to a Japanese player and i got a win because a zerg left when i found his third..... today was so horrible i felt like crying. my 5-1 record became 5-7 and i lost to so many shit i was TRAINED to stop. I was ling allined, had a game where the terran threw away all his scvs for a proxy bunker rush... and i lost to D-s and i kept disconnecting when i wanted to play PvZ afterwards. I also only played on my best maps..... HBR and Destination. now its korean times and i cant melee anymore for today or else my 5-7 will get worse and ill be stuck in E rank. tomorrow is a new day. i wonder what gamescheese ill play against tomorrow! Stop being a pussy and man up. If you cant beat D level Koreans then you are not a D level player.
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Well I won like 2 games against Koreans. =D
For some reason there seem to be a lot more smurfs this season than the last one. I was able to get to D+ last season but I'm barely keeping myself above 1000 this season... Or maybe I just got worse. FML
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lol cheesy D players are so funny...you get used to it and get used to playing safer
today i played a Z who told me he was B+ high protoss
then he manner hatched me...i broke it while losing too many marines to bad micro and then he 3 hat linged me and lost everything(~36 lings) to 2 bunkers with firebats =D and a few mnm
ofc, i wasnt just playing ridiculously safe for no reason, but i was scouting him for way longer than he should have let me with a scv on his nat ridge @ heartbreak
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pvz all u need to do is make 10 cannons at your nat at d level when you fe and it's free win.
even if they go like 5 hatch hydra all you have to do is get templars and zealots and you win because they can't dodge storm and macro at the same time
D level is soooooo easyy to get through as protoss.
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On January 12 2010 11:26 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
It's time to practice non-cheese builds. Cheese won't work on everyone as your try to accend, and your skills of more 'standard" games will continue to diminish. You'll be trapped forever unless you change things up some, steer towards standard and make cheese 1/5 or less of your games.
i agree with this. However, you can should take concepts from rush type builds into your longer game plans (such as timing attacks, or hiding tech). Rush builds and longer games are like food: Have your chips once in a while but if you eat too many ull get fat (with losses in this case)
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On January 12 2010 12:32 2minutevictory wrote:
pvz all u need to do is make 10 cannons at your nat at d level when you fe and it's free win.
even if they go like 5 hatch hydra all you have to do is get templars and zealots and you win because they can't dodge storm and macro at the same time
D level is soooooo easyy to get through as protoss.
that even works against B- foreign zergs
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On January 12 2010 11:26 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
It's time to practice non-cheese builds. Cheese won't work on everyone as your try to accend, and your skills of more 'standard" games will continue to diminish. You'll be trapped forever unless you change things up some, steer towards standard and make cheese 1/5 or less of your games.
i limited myself to 1 cheese per day. forgot to mention this >>
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On January 12 2010 11:33 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. So true. ^_^
am I the only Terran that doesn't rage? T_T
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Overkill on cannons is actually good advice IMO. I cant tell you how many times I've lost to all in hydra/muta timings simply because I was trying to get the same amount of cannons as the pros.
A lot of Zerg are just used to 1) Winning with their first wave of hydras/mutas or 2) Have no idea WTF to do if they dont win with that.
For protoss, as the game goes on it gets easier. Take a second expo, push out with a big glob of units, make sure you have obs and watch the zerg QQ.
Thats how ZvP for me feels anyway. I'm terrified of the first 10 minutes and then confident as hell after that.
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don't get bummed about it. You'll get better in relation to the effort you put into it. If you just fail and continue on moping without analyzing why you lost it's just a waste of time. you have to believe!!!11!!!!!1!!!1
On January 12 2010 10:52 Pokebunny wrote:5-7 is nothing. Keep trying.
gtfo poke
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Dont dodge the Koreans if you really want to improve 
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On January 12 2010 12:59 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 11:33 LuckyFool wrote:On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. So true. ^_^ am I the only Terran that doesn't rage? T_T
Nope ^^, ... Well not in the game XD
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On January 12 2010 13:13 Caphe wrote:Dont dodge the Koreans if you really want to improve
koreans killed me with a pylon and 2 probes. no way
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THIS IS HOW YOU GET PAST D RANKS READ HERE!
guarantee you'll get at least all their drones and a pool
if you get corsairs with the drop guaranteed you'll get the lair and everything in the main.
against terran, gas steal them and get 4 goons and then expand. if they go bunker expand just wait for their scvs to repair the bunker to full health and attack it. 90% of the time the scvs won't repair and the bunker will die and you can kill everything he has because his tank will be just started. if he gets 2 barracks simply make cannons.
against protoss do 2gate zealot and 90% of the time they'll lose half their probes to it and from their just get a forge, make cannons + expand and defend from all reaver/dt harrass. and then use your 2base to mass tons of goons to rape him. ( this works all the way up to like C , and once in a while once you're like B)
the conclusion, PROTOSS IS NOT HARD.
and if you really want to get to C/C+ but still kind of suck you can play terran or zerg. terran all you need to do is abuse the fact that all D/D+ protoss like 1a2a3a and streamline their army which will just evaporate to a terran who doesn't have more then 3000 minerals and gas. or vult drop and kill all their probes. Against zerg the easiest strat is to just mass turrets against mutas and watch them try to micro against them and lose all their mutas. and then proceed to 1a2a3a with your mnm army + vessel and tank.
For Zerg! this is like the easiest one of them all not including zvz which is a pain in the ass. vs Protoss make 3 sunkens at every base get a normal spire timing, scourge their corsairs and proceed to rape them with some mutas. the protoss will do something dumb such as attack your 3 sunks with 8 +1 attack speedzeals and unless you purposely sabotaged your simcity the attack is sure to fail. D level protoss players like to make 1 cannon and like 4 corsairs and think their safe against mutas, get like 8 scourge and 9 mutas and win the game. if they get archons their building placement will be so bad your mutas will never be able to get hit.
Against terran if they go bio you must have semi decent muta micro to win, but if you can must hit 4sm 5sm 6sm while microing mutalisks this will be easy for you. if you are atrocious at muta micro either 1 : switch race or 2: go lurkers and use hold position lurkers 90% of the time they'll walk their mnm force into it and lose the game because they think they're so clever with their genius aggressive strategies. after doing so be prepared to hear some rage because terran players are often the ones who have most trouble getting past D due to lack of sportsmanship and inability to accept that darkswarm and arbiters are balanced.
Against Zerg you really just have to learn good muta vs scourge micro and pray to god that you don't get a build order disadvantage. but assuming scourge and build order advantages don't exist. the easiest way to win is wait for them to take their natural hatchery and make sure you have more zerglings. send all your mutas to their main and all your zerglings to their nat, they're bound to lose one and from there the game is yours.
I typed all this very fast and did not try to revise anything so excuse me for spelling/grammar errors
edit : this is all you need to do to hit C- BUT! you'll have a hardass time winning once these tricks stop working and the people you play start getting good so i advise starting to play standard once you're out of the cheese infested D ranks
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Im like 18-42 -.- had a bad day today, went like 0-8 dropped me from like 1037->857
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On January 12 2010 13:39 2minutevictory wrote:
THIS IS HOW YOU GET PAST D RANKS READ HERE!
guarantee you'll get at least all their drones and a pool
if you get corsairs with the drop guaranteed you'll get the lair and everything in the main.
against terran, gas steal them and get 4 goons and then expand. if they go bunker expand just wait for their scvs to repair the bunker to full health and attack it. 90% of the time the scvs won't repair and the bunker will die and you can kill everything he has because his tank will be just started. if he gets 2 barracks simply make cannons.
against protoss do 2gate zealot and 90% of the time they'll lose half their probes to it and from their just get a forge, make cannons + expand and defend from all reaver/dt harrass. and then use your 2base to mass tons of goons to rape him. ( this works all the way up to like C , and once in a while once you're like B)
the conclusion, PROTOSS IS NOT HARD.
and if you really want to get to C/C+ but still kind of suck you can play terran or zerg. terran all you need to do is abuse the fact that all D/D+ protoss like 1a2a3a and streamline their army which will just evaporate to a terran who doesn't have more then 3000 minerals and gas. or vult drop and kill all their probes. Against zerg the easiest strat is to just mass turrets against mutas and watch them try to micro against them and lose all their mutas. and then proceed to 1a2a3a with your mnm army + vessel and tank.
For Zerg! this is like the easiest one of them all not including zvz which is a pain in the ass. vs Protoss make 3 sunkens at every base get a normal spire timing, scourge their corsairs and proceed to rape them with some mutas. the protoss will do something dumb such as attack your 3 sunks with 8 +1 attack speedzeals and unless you purposely sabotaged your simcity the attack is sure to fail. D level protoss players like to make 1 cannon and like 4 corsairs and think their safe against mutas, get like 8 scourge and 9 mutas and win the game. if they get archons their building placement will be so bad your mutas will never be able to get hit.
Against terran if they go bio you must have semi decent muta micro to win, but if you can must hit 4sm 5sm 6sm while microing mutalisks this will be easy for you. if you are atrocious at muta micro either 1 : switch race or 2: go lurkers and use hold position lurkers 90% of the time they'll walk their mnm force into it and lose the game because they think they're so clever with their genius aggressive strategies. after doing so be prepared to hear some rage because terran players are often the ones who have most trouble getting past D due to lack of sportsmanship and inability to accept that darkswarm and arbiters are balanced.
Against Zerg you really just have to learn good muta vs scourge micro and pray to god that you don't get a build order disadvantage. but assuming scourge and build order advantages don't exist. the easiest way to win is wait for them to take their natural hatchery and make sure you have more zerglings. send all your mutas to their main and all your zerglings to their nat, they're bound to lose one and from there the game is yours.
I typed all this very fast and did not try to revise anything so excuse me for spelling/grammar errors
edit : this is all you need to do to hit C- BUT! you'll have a hardass time winning once these tricks stop working and the people you play start getting good so i advise starting to play standard once you're out of the cheese infested D ranks
worst guide i have ever read. plus ZvZ is the easiest of the 3 Zerg mu.
PvZ, macro macro macro
PvT, macro macro arbiter stasis macro
PvP, macro macro observer expand macro macro
ZvP, zerglings
ZvT, zerglings
ZvZ, zerglings+muta
TvP, FD or Turtle
TvT, ???
TvZ, 2rax acad
.... thats how youll get to C ez mode. be happy.
no im just kidding each match up isnt that easy
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On January 12 2010 11:46 Mastermind wrote:
Stop being a pussy and man up. If you cant beat D level Koreans then you are not a D level player.
Gonna have to disagree completely. I've been playing koreans at night at foreigners during the day recently- the contrast is huge. I'm currently undefeated vs foreign D's. My win rate vs D koreans is like 35%.
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On January 12 2010 12:59 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 11:33 LuckyFool wrote:On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. So true. ^_^ am I the only Terran that doesn't rage? T_T
There are more... SOME PEOPLE just give terran players bad rep in general.
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On January 12 2010 12:59 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 11:33 LuckyFool wrote:On January 12 2010 09:52 Kenpachi wrote:
the terrans ragequit while the zerg ggs. So true. ^_^ am I the only Terran that doesn't rage? T_T
12 year olds can't rage quit, they tantrum quit.
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On January 12 2010 11:18 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 10:18 FabledIntegral wrote:
9pool is an incredibly standard opening, vs both Terran and Protoss, you'd be an idiot to say it was cheese.
9pool isn't standard vs Terran.
It's still considered a relatively standard opening. As 2 hatch and 3 hatch muta are both standard openings for Zerg. It's more standard than an 8rax for Terran.
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get 20-6 =D That's what i have =D
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