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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 19:07:55
January 02 2010 19:07 GMT
#1
Yeah, people usually acknowledge that Free is good but in all seriousness, he has one of the best PvZ:s out there. PvZ to me is the matchup which separates the really good protoss users from the mediocre. This elusive matchup is always in the way for protoss to become truly dominant and few players have managed to not look like underdogs in PvZ, regardless of their opponent. Bisu, Free, Movie and Stork (I'm a dumbass and probably left someone out) is basically how good PvZ gets.

So, the reason for this blog entry is because I just watched Free vs Effort in the latest proleague game between Woongjin Stars and CJ Entus. Free played a really good textbook PvZ game, on how to kick a zergs ass. His mechanics and micro are extremely impressive alot of times in this matchup and it feels good to not think that protoss is at disadvantage in a PvZ game, which is what Free[gm] does to you.

I feel like he could become really awesome but he has been on the verge for quite some while. PvZ is what holds every protoss back except for Bisu, but Free plays this matchup without fear or second thought. He switches the game on zerg with sick timing attacks (like in the video below vs Effort), and expands like he's alone on the map.

Enjoy:





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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
January 02 2010 19:10 GMT
#2
I think matchpoint is just good for P in zvp.
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yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 19:11:45
January 02 2010 19:11 GMT
#3
donno why your linking that game, it was a terrible game. After free took a massive advantage effort refused to leave and just flapped around for 15 minutes, and despite free being up two bases, he couldn't end the game with a simple roll over. Truly a mediocre game...

edit: after the start
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
January 02 2010 19:12 GMT
#4
Your forgetting shank toss
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
January 02 2010 19:13 GMT
#5
On January 03 2010 04:07 Foucault wrote: Bisu, Free, Movie and Stork (I'm a dumbass and probably left someone out) is basically how good PvZ gets.

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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
January 02 2010 19:15 GMT
#6
I actually think that's a terrible game. I don't see how you can justify free's skill based on that game...
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yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
January 02 2010 19:17 GMT
#7
On January 03 2010 04:15 Chill wrote:
I actually think that's a terrible game. I don't see how you can justify free's skill based on that game...
THANK you. I was shaking my head when I was watching it last night, and everyone was screaming about how good it was. I cant believe anyone thinks that wasnt a bad game.
FlamyDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Netherlands146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 19:25:02
January 02 2010 19:22 GMT
#8
I think Free vs Jaedong a few months ago (crazy game that free won with use of reavers + archon's if I'm not mistaken) is a bigger testimony to his skill.

Edit: might have been in the ClubDay 2008 MSL..
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Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 19:29:10
January 02 2010 19:28 GMT
#9
On January 03 2010 04:22 FlamyDeath wrote:
I think Free vs Jaedong a few months ago (crazy game that free won with use of reavers + archon's if I'm not mistaken) is a bigger testimony to his skill.

Edit: might have been in the ClubDay 2008 MSL..

This. The one where Free had about a bajillion archons.

Simply amazing
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 19:38:45
January 02 2010 19:37 GMT
#10
On January 03 2010 04:13 538 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2010 04:07 Foucault wrote: Bisu, Free, Movie and Stork (I'm a dumbass and probably left someone out) is basically how good PvZ gets.

Kal. On his good days.

And Jangbi on his good days too.

But that game was terrible. Free's macro was on par with a zerg when he was up a base. Free should of been able to finish off effort a long time ago. I mean effort didn't even make a single lurker to turtle. Jangbi had a hard time finishing effort, but that is because effort turtled like a mofo.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 02 2010 19:48 GMT
#11
lol, nabs. Chill is such a noob.
Free's double DT attack was nastyyy.
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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
January 02 2010 19:50 GMT
#12
To be honest I think both this game and Efforts game vs Jangbi where he also lost showed more how Effort is the superior player compared to the others. In both games he got ridiculously set back early, but in both games he showed some sick macro and management and kept himself in the games much longer than other Zergs would have and at times it looked like he just might could make a comeback out of the games. Actually I think Effort would probably have won the game if he had just moved his rallypoints and not lost a gazillion lings just running past lots\archons and saved his min only and the 3extra hatches that was there.

Props to Free for a brilliant DT block in the ramp allowing him to go on a rampage at Efforts 3rd and later getting into the middle of his rallypoints, and props to jangbi for a brilliant DT sneak, but if these games showed us anything its that neither of these players could take down Effort in a late management game without getting huge early advantages. His management style and lategame is just on another level.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 02 2010 20:07 GMT
#13
In all fairness it was terrible because Free pulled some brilliant maneuvers early on. Of course Effort made some tactical mistakes, but most Protoss players would not have dismantled him so thoroughly.

But yeah, it was a terrible game. It was over after like 10 minutes. Everything else was just Effort being desparate.

The game that comes to my mind as highlighting Free's PvZ the most is that famous dismantlement of Jaedong.
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-02 20:19:46
January 02 2010 20:17 GMT
#14
On January 03 2010 04:13 538 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2010 04:07 Foucault wrote: Bisu, Free, Movie and Stork (I'm a dumbass and probably left someone out) is basically how good PvZ gets.

Kal. On his good days.


Thanks, I should have mentioned his name too.

Edit: And Jangbi of course. Thanks Muffindude
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 02 2010 20:18 GMT
#15
On January 03 2010 04:15 Chill wrote:
I actually think that's a terrible game. I don't see how you can justify free's skill based on that game...


It's not only because of that particular game though. It's the general perception I get from him in other games versus zerg.

I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 02 2010 20:20 GMT
#16
On January 03 2010 04:48 SuperJongMan wrote:
lol, nabs. Chill is such a noob.
Free's double DT attack was nastyyy.


Yes, the way he put the 2 DT:s on efforts ramp to hold off the zerglings was sexy.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
January 02 2010 20:30 GMT
#17
Yes hi you left out (P)jjonga.
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miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
January 02 2010 20:37 GMT
#18
I thought free's micro in this game was particularly splendid...but I was looking for it, because I'm biased.
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 02 2010 20:44 GMT
#19
On January 03 2010 05:37 miseiler wrote:
I thought free's micro in this game was particularly splendid...but I was looking for it, because I'm biased.


I actually think it was semi-bad at times but I know he has the skill needed to pull off pretty much anything PvZ. He has great control though
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
parkerprocise
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
61 Posts
January 02 2010 20:47 GMT
#20
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