On December 28 2009 14:09 yhnmk wrote: My mom got pregnant at seventeen and had three children, both my dad and her were alcoholics and speed addicts, no education and living away from their [poor and estranged] families. Were upper middle class now. Fuck I hate this generational thinking of "if your not rich, your kids life will be terrible and your an evil person". Its just so fucking pathetic on a variety of levels.
When your mom got pregnant college degrees weren't mandatory for most jobs like they are today.
Thats not relevant to my point. My point was that, regardless of how fucked up your circumstances are [and this was during a recession, at that] social mobility is very high in the west. Especially in America and Canada. You can make it with sacrifice. And beyond that, being relatively poor does not make a bad life, people are far too materialistic. My parents were still drunks when my sister was growing up and they lived in a roach infested apartment, no money, hand me down clothes. Does my sister regret her childhood? No. She was happy. She still IS happy. People associate being poor instantly with a shitty life, or adoption or the product of rape, all these children are instantly fucked. No they are not. And its just such a load of bullshit when people just presume failure and unhappiness and suggest "humane" actions [really, things just to alleviate responsibility so they can maintain their adolescence] to relieve them of a "horrible existence". Nobody should have that right but, ultimately, I'd wish that nobody was so arrogant and stupid as to presume what is a quality life before its even lived.
Anyways, doesn't matter if my parents and my life was an exception to the rule. Even if his kid grows up in a poor family, or in circumstances that arent ideal, there is a chance for happiness and a good future. If the Dad gets his head out of his fucking ass, mans up and acts responsibly.
On December 28 2009 14:09 yhnmk wrote: My mom got pregnant at seventeen and had three children, both my dad and her were alcoholics and speed addicts, no education and living away from their [poor and estranged] families. Were upper middle class now. Fuck I hate this generational thinking of "if your not rich, your kids life will be terrible and your an evil person". Its just so fucking pathetic on a variety of levels.
When your mom got pregnant college degrees weren't mandatory for most jobs like they are today.
Thats not relevant to my point. My point was that, regardless of how fucked up your circumstances are [and this was during a recession, at that] social mobility is very high in the west. Especially in America and Canada. You can make it with sacrifice. And beyond that, being relatively poor does not make a bad life, people are far too materialistic. My parents were still drunks when my sister was growing up and they lived in a roach infested apartment, no money, hand me down clothes. Does my sister regret her childhood? No. She was happy. She still IS happy. People associate being poor instantly with a shitty life, or adoption or the product of rape, all these children are instantly fucked. No they are not. And its just such a load of bullshit when people just presume failure and unhappiness and suggest "humane" actions [really, things just to alleviate responsibility so they can maintain their adolescence] to relieve them of a "horrible existence". Nobody should have that right but, ultimately, I'd wish that nobody was so arrogant and stupid as to presume what is a quality life before its even lived.
Anyways, doesn't matter if my parents and my life was an exception to the rule. Even if his kid grows up in a poor family, or in circumstances that arent ideal, there is a chance for happiness and a good future. If the Dad gets his head out of his fucking ass, mans up and acts responsibly.
Statistically speaking, teenage pregnancy is bad for the father, the mother and the child. No one is saying the children are "instantly fucked", but their lives will be much harder than others. Yes, things *might* work out, but more likely, they won't. The OP has every reason to be concerned.
Yes, even if the kid grows up in non-ideal circumstances, there is still a chance for happiness; but if the kid grows up in ideal circumstances, he will have a much higher chance for happiness. I don't understand your point.
I guess you should try answering these questions...
Are (both of) you still in school? Are you financially independent? Can you afford to have a child? Are your parents willing to lend support if necessary? Are you (you alone) ready to be a father?
Guess I'll have to keep trying. That or I'll have to grease the bathtub and stairs in a few months.
It seems to me that you aren't 100% on the child, then you should really try to persuade her into giving it up. If she doesn't agree... then good luck (with life and the greasing of stairs).
On December 28 2009 10:47 WheelOfTime wrote: Long story short, GF told me she had a BIG surprise for me for Christmas.
It's a baby. She's pregnant.
SHE'S BEEN ON THE PILL FFS.
RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Been trying to convince her to Ctrl+QQ on the fetus, but she wants to keep it because it's very likely we'll get married anyway after we graduate, plus she's Christian and loves kids.
Guess I'll have to keep trying. That or I'll have to grease the bathtub and stairs in a few months.
On December 28 2009 11:50 plated.rawr wrote: Let her know that she's: - About to have nine months of mood swings and homrone imbalance, pain and exhaustion - About to get the followup one year of stress and sleep deprivation - Most probably going to lose her figure from the maternal eating and baby stretching - Ruining any chance you two had to travel the world and see new places for twenty years - Ruining any chance you two had to get higher education. Enjoy a low-payed high-stress job - Alienating friends due to the increased responsibility and unavailability of childcare - Not fully mentally aged yet, which will negatively impact her parenting and raising of the child - Statistically more likely to break up with the father due to the mental age and stress factors than a more mature mother would avoid.
If you really love her though, go for it. As long as the love lasts, you'll have the motivation to accomplish anything.
If you've got any kind of doubts though, talk to her properly - don't leave anything unsaid that'll pain you later down the line.
On December 28 2009 13:14 orgolove wrote: You are a fucking idiot. Holy shit, what were you fucking THINKING? AT 20?!?! Man, I feel so sorry for your child. Not only did you ruin your own life, you ruined the life of both your wife and the unborn child as well.
Just burn in hell and die. I can see it now, 15 years from now, you living in your trailer park trash heap, your kid already a star in the local gang, you becoming an alcoholic drowning your sorrows away after your wife left you. I hope you die a horrible death.
Figures, this guy's from Vatican City. Regardless, I lol'ed.
Moral of the story:
When someone tells you they have a BIG surprise for you for Christmas, brace yourself. Chances are it's going to be I'm coming out of the closet / I crashed your car / You're adopted / I'm pregnant with your child / I smurfed your D- ass when I'm actually B+.
On December 28 2009 10:47 WheelOfTime wrote: Long story short, GF told me she had a BIG surprise for me for Christmas.
It's a baby. She's pregnant.
SHE'S BEEN ON THE PILL FFS.
RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Been trying to convince her to Ctrl+QQ on the fetus, but she wants to keep it because it's very likely we'll get married anyway after we graduate, plus she's Christian and loves kids.
Guess I'll have to keep trying. That or I'll have to grease the bathtub and stairs in a few months.
On December 28 2009 11:50 plated.rawr wrote: Let her know that she's: - About to have nine months of mood swings and homrone imbalance, pain and exhaustion - About to get the followup one year of stress and sleep deprivation - Most probably going to lose her figure from the maternal eating and baby stretching - Ruining any chance you two had to travel the world and see new places for twenty years - Ruining any chance you two had to get higher education. Enjoy a low-payed high-stress job - Alienating friends due to the increased responsibility and unavailability of childcare - Not fully mentally aged yet, which will negatively impact her parenting and raising of the child - Statistically more likely to break up with the father due to the mental age and stress factors than a more mature mother would avoid.
If you really love her though, go for it. As long as the love lasts, you'll have the motivation to accomplish anything.
If you've got any kind of doubts though, talk to her properly - don't leave anything unsaid that'll pain you later down the line.
On December 28 2009 13:14 orgolove wrote: You are a fucking idiot. Holy shit, what were you fucking THINKING? AT 20?!?! Man, I feel so sorry for your child. Not only did you ruin your own life, you ruined the life of both your wife and the unborn child as well.
Just burn in hell and die. I can see it now, 15 years from now, you living in your trailer park trash heap, your kid already a star in the local gang, you becoming an alcoholic drowning your sorrows away after your wife left you. I hope you die a horrible death.
Figures, this guy's from Vatican City. Regardless, I lol'ed.
Moral of the story:
When someone tells you they have a BIG surprise for you for Christmas, brace yourself. Chances are it's going to be I'm coming out of the closet / I crashed your car / You're adopted / I'm pregnant with your child / I smurfed your D- ass when I'm actually B+.
They should really make you an admin so you can stop quoting every single semi-interesting blog -_-
On December 28 2009 10:47 WheelOfTime wrote: Long story short, GF told me she had a BIG surprise for me for Christmas.
It's a baby. She's pregnant.
SHE'S BEEN ON THE PILL FFS.
RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Been trying to convince her to Ctrl+QQ on the fetus, but she wants to keep it because it's very likely we'll get married anyway after we graduate, plus she's Christian and loves kids.
Guess I'll have to keep trying. That or I'll have to grease the bathtub and stairs in a few months.
On December 28 2009 11:50 plated.rawr wrote: Let her know that she's: - About to have nine months of mood swings and homrone imbalance, pain and exhaustion - About to get the followup one year of stress and sleep deprivation - Most probably going to lose her figure from the maternal eating and baby stretching - Ruining any chance you two had to travel the world and see new places for twenty years - Ruining any chance you two had to get higher education. Enjoy a low-payed high-stress job - Alienating friends due to the increased responsibility and unavailability of childcare - Not fully mentally aged yet, which will negatively impact her parenting and raising of the child - Statistically more likely to break up with the father due to the mental age and stress factors than a more mature mother would avoid.
If you really love her though, go for it. As long as the love lasts, you'll have the motivation to accomplish anything.
If you've got any kind of doubts though, talk to her properly - don't leave anything unsaid that'll pain you later down the line.
On December 28 2009 13:14 orgolove wrote: You are a fucking idiot. Holy shit, what were you fucking THINKING? AT 20?!?! Man, I feel so sorry for your child. Not only did you ruin your own life, you ruined the life of both your wife and the unborn child as well.
Just burn in hell and die. I can see it now, 15 years from now, you living in your trailer park trash heap, your kid already a star in the local gang, you becoming an alcoholic drowning your sorrows away after your wife left you. I hope you die a horrible death.
Figures, this guy's from Vatican City. Regardless, I lol'ed.
Moral of the story:
When someone tells you they have a BIG surprise for you for Christmas, brace yourself. Chances are it's going to be I'm coming out of the closet / I crashed your car / You're adopted / I'm pregnant with your child / I smurfed your D- ass when I'm actually B+.
They should really make you an admin so you can stop quoting every single semi-interesting blog -_-
No, there's a secret way to stop admins from doing that.
On December 28 2009 19:48 Draconizard wrote: You participated in intercourse, the prime function of which is procreation, yet sound disappointed, even outraged, at the result.
I lol'ed. That's not really why humans do it, you know?
On December 28 2009 19:48 Draconizard wrote: You participated in intercourse, the prime function of which is procreation, yet sound disappointed, even outraged, at the result.
I lol'ed. That's not really why humans do it, you know?
On December 28 2009 14:09 yhnmk wrote: My mom got pregnant at seventeen and had three children, both my dad and her were alcoholics and speed addicts, no education and living away from their [poor and estranged] families. Were upper middle class now. Fuck I hate this generational thinking of "if your not rich, your kids life will be terrible and your an evil person". Its just so fucking pathetic on a variety of levels.
When your mom got pregnant college degrees weren't mandatory for most jobs like they are today.
Thats not relevant to my point. My point was that, regardless of how fucked up your circumstances are [and this was during a recession, at that] social mobility is very high in the west. Especially in America and Canada. You can make it with sacrifice. And beyond that, being relatively poor does not make a bad life, people are far too materialistic. My parents were still drunks when my sister was growing up and they lived in a roach infested apartment, no money, hand me down clothes. Does my sister regret her childhood? No. She was happy. She still IS happy. People associate being poor instantly with a shitty life, or adoption or the product of rape, all these children are instantly fucked. No they are not. And its just such a load of bullshit when people just presume failure and unhappiness and suggest "humane" actions [really, things just to alleviate responsibility so they can maintain their adolescence] to relieve them of a "horrible existence". Nobody should have that right but, ultimately, I'd wish that nobody was so arrogant and stupid as to presume what is a quality life before its even lived.
Anyways, doesn't matter if my parents and my life was an exception to the rule. Even if his kid grows up in a poor family, or in circumstances that arent ideal, there is a chance for happiness and a good future. If the Dad gets his head out of his fucking ass, mans up and acts responsibly.
Statistically speaking, teenage pregnancy is bad for the father, the mother and the child. No one is saying the children are "instantly fucked", but their lives will be much harder than others. Yes, things *might* work out, but more likely, they won't. The OP has every reason to be concerned.
Yes, even if the kid grows up in non-ideal circumstances, there is still a chance for happiness; but if the kid grows up in ideal circumstances, he will have a much higher chance for happiness. I don't understand your point.
The stats there are interesting, the USA which have a very high age of consent and very low tolerance for nakedness also tops the chart of teen pregnancies by a very large margin. Also I am happy to see that 70% of the teen pregnancies are aborted in my country That is a sign that we don't pressure them into keeping it like you do in more conservative countries.
EPT
That is a sign that we don't pressure them into keeping it like you do in more conservative countries. 
